What is a Black Boar?

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I know it might be a dumb question, but what exactly is a Black Boar cue? Ive heard Tim Scruggs was involved with these, but other than that, I have no clue why they cost so much. Who else was involved in making them? Any info is appreciated, thanks!


Joe
 
Thanks Joe! I didnt even see you leave last night?? I turned around and you vanished, lol. I guess Ill talk to ya at the next tourney. Have a good one man.


Joe

Yeah I was half pissed off when I left. Had missed a dead out, and then the next game a straight in nine. Both would have won me the set. Played ok most of the night, and that last set I just got to where I couldn't make a ball. Got just out of city limits and thought that I had forgotten to say goodbye last night.

I'll be down there friday and saturday next week (if they are open on the 1rst that is).
 
Yeah I was half pissed off when I left. Had missed a dead out, and then the next game a straight in nine. Both would have won me the set. Played ok most of the night, and that last set I just got to where I couldn't make a ball. Got just out of city limits and thought that I had forgotten to say goodbye last night.

I'll be down there friday and saturday next week (if they are open on the 1rst that is).

They should be open. I read that site, and see no mention of Scruggs at all, so I guess I was misinformed, lol. Thanks again for the link bud! You said you was gonna give me the 6 out and the breaks for a thousand right? lol! Ill see ya next weekend man.

Joe
 
You weren't misinformed. Tim Scruggs did have a hand in the earliest Black Boars.
Tony Scianella has taken the science of pool cue construction for performance to a new frontier, and his ornamentation & design are leading edge.
Unfortunately for common man, reputation & demand have taken his price point into the stratosphere. Most of us will have a greater chance of owning a Gus than ever owning a new era Boar.
 
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You weren't misinformed. Tim Scruggs did have a hand in the earliest Black Boars.
Tony Scianella has taken the science of pool cue construction for performance to a new frontier, and his ornamentation & design are leading edge.
Unfortunately for common man, reputation & demand have taken his price point into the stratosphere. Most of us will have a greater chance of owning a Gus than ever owning a new era Boar.

I just got done reading the history part, and it seems like it is a pretty cool progression. I wonder why Scruggs and McDaniels didnt work with Tony anymore after that first run? It seems like they would have been interested in his ideas and vision of the future, hmmmm.... You are right about the price! Im glad he is making his cash, but like you said, Ill never have a chance at owning one, unless I hit the Lotto, lol.



Joe
 
They should be open. I read that site, and see no mention of Scruggs at all, so I guess I was misinformed, lol. Thanks again for the link bud! You said you was gonna give me the 6 out and the breaks for a thousand right? lol! Ill see ya next weekend man.

Joe

I actually said the orange crush and out, 2 on the wire, and the breaks. Of course I get 5 on the wire and the 1 and out. Race to 6. Should be a great match.
 
I actually said the orange crush and out, 2 on the wire, and the breaks. Of course I get 5 on the wire and the 1 and out. Race to 6. Should be a great match.

Sounds great! This time I dont wanna hear you cryin when I beat the hell outta ya, lol!

Joe
 
They start at around $20,000 for a 8pt and go up. He only builds a few cues a year thus the price is so high, he isnt working from home and has machine shop overhead.

The artistic part of them is what everyone seem to be attracted to, but Tony puts more time into making them play good and playing around with the physics than anything. How nice they look is secondary. And they really play good-there is no bolt at the A joint the butt is one piece of wood from the bumper up to the joint.

In some cases he uses ivory over Stainless for the joint, and again most people think its for some sort of look, or fancy touch. They are wrong, the reason he does that is to reduce the weight of the joint, If he has a cue that has enough weight at the joint he will use solid ivory, or in some cases all steel. Why he does what he does is beyond me, I just know what Tony told me, it gives him a way to adjust weight at the front of the cue as opposed to just a weight bolt in the ass end of the cue(he has room there as needed.

Everything on a BB is done for a reason and that reason is playability, to increase contact time with the CB he told me. Looks are just to help stimulate sales. His choices of woods, materials are all taken into consideration when he makes a cue. And as a rule the newer hi cues are the better they play-the 8pt cues playthe best he told me.

Dont shoot the messanger here please. :smile:


He learned alot from Gus he said, and I would say about 60% of my Gus cues feel like a 8pt Boar, some of Gus's cues are just heavier, I have a couple that feel the 95% the same. Same goes for Barrys cues too. They are very similar. Thats why they are at the top of the pyrmid-it aint a accident why it takes 15 minutes to sell a Gus, Barry(when priced right) and virtually no BB's are on the market. There are alot more Szams than BB's-thus the Szams make it to the market, the Boars that trade are private sales-usually.
 
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I am under the impression that Tony does make less expensive cues up to $20,000 or so,and that it was Tim Scruggs and Mike Cochran who worked with him in the early days.

It is common for people of talent to strike out on their own and that is what Tony did. I have heard Mike Cochran praise Tony and his cues with words of praise for quality and design.

I would expect that Eric would own one,since they are among the best.

I am no authority on the cues or the history so take my remarks cum granulo salis
dean
 
My $150 "Black Boar"

A few years ago at a DCC I was talking with Jack Justis, the cue case maker. He had a shaft sitting there and I asked about it. He told me that he had made the shaft himself and went on to say that when he had purchased a Black Boar cue, he wanted to keep both shafts unplayed for possible resale. So he got some shaft wood from Tony and made a shaft as close as possible to the Black Boar shafts that came with his cue. He ended up selling the cue and never played with the shaft. It looked nice, had an ivory ferrule, and was a perfect fit for a Joss butt that I had, so I bought it from him for $150. The Joss had been given to me by Danny Janes in exchange for some photos I sent to him, so it had cost me nothing. The shaft plays great and I sort of pretend I am playing with a Black Boar cue when I use it. So that's why I call it my $150 "Black Boar.":smile:
 
The Joss had been given to me by Danny Janes in exchange for some photos I sent to him, so it had cost me nothing. The shaft plays great and I sort of pretend I am playing with a Black Boar cue when I use it. So that's why I call it my $150 "Black Boar.":smile:

So basically, what you're saying is you had some compromising photos of Danny and you extorted a new cue out of him.

Sweet. :wink:
 
I am under the impression that Tony does make less expensive cues up to $20,000 or so,and that it was Tim Scruggs and Mike Cochran who worked with him in the early days.

It is common for people of talent to strike out on their own and that is what Tony did. I have heard Mike Cochran praise Tony and his cues with words of praise for quality and design.

I would expect that Eric would own one,since they are among the best.

I am no authority on the cues or the history so take my remarks cum granulo salis
dean

He built 4 or 5 plane jane cues this year for $6,000 ea. Everything else starts at $20,000 and goes up fast from there. yes I have 1 of his cues and I play with it. It brings out the best in me, I have a Barry that plays almost identical, It was a hard decision to play with the Boar instead of the Barry(because I have a great friendship with Barry-I felt bad), But I do play a bit better with the Boar, I use a Gus often in Vegas when my Boar is in LA, I have a Gus that feels like the Boar.
 
He built 4 or 5 plane jane cues this year for $6,000 ea. Everything else starts at $20,000 and goes up fast from there. yes I have 1 of his cues and I play with it. It brings out the best in me, I have a Barry that plays almost identical, It was a hard decision to play with the Boar instead of the Barry(because I have a great friendship with Barry-I felt bad), But I do play a bit better with the Boar, I use a Gus often in Vegas when my Boar is in LA, I have a Gus that feels like the Boar.

Eric,
Send me your sh*ttiest cue and I'll play with it, lol. I don't even own a cue. I've bought dozens of cues but I always end up selling them, lol.
 
Eric,
Send me your sh*ttiest cue and I'll play with it, lol. I don't even own a cue. I've bought dozens of cues but I always end up selling them, lol.


I will do that, it needs a shaft, but i will send it, email me your addy when I get back to Vegas I will.
 
He built 4 or 5 plane jane cues this year for $6,000 ea. Everything else starts at $20,000 and goes up fast from there. yes I have 1 of his cues and I play with it. It brings out the best in me, I have a Barry that plays almost identical, It was a hard decision to play with the Boar instead of the Barry(because I have a great friendship with Barry-I felt bad), But I do play a bit better with the Boar, I use a Gus often in Vegas when my Boar is in LA, I have a Gus that feels like the Boar.

I dont know you at all, but its damn scary to hear you talk about your cues! lol! I hope you carry a gun or a bodyguard or something man, cuz if you got Gus' and Barry's and BB's all over the country, you need some protection, lol. Damn, I couldnt imagine having one of those cues, let alone all three. I hope you realize how lucky you are, lol. Take it easy man.


Joe
 
So basically, what you're saying is you had some compromising photos of Danny and you extorted a new cue out of him.

Sweet. :wink:

Actually, it was old pool photos from the 1980s. Danny sent a cue to me and to Mike Haines who took many of the photos. It was very gracious of Dan to do this. He is truly one of the best guys in the world of pool.
 
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