What is the APA rule.

doitforthegame

doitforthegame

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So the other night my guy is shooting the one ball. He slammed it and it hit another ball, became airborne and the one landed on the floor. To much grumbling from my own team I said the one was a dead ball and the incoming player had ball in hand. My teammates wanted to spot the one and play the cue as it lies. Now obviously in real pool my call is correct, but I am not sure about how the APA treats it.

Opinions?

Bob
 
Spot the one after his turn ends at the table. If he made a ball besides he keeps shooting either until he misses, then the ball gets spotted. or it gets spotted before he shoots the 8.
 
In APA or "real pool", if the cue goes flying off the table, then it's ball in hand. If the cue ball stays on the table, then no ball in hand. Object ball becomes a dead ball in APA.
 
Shaky1 said:
Spot the one after his turn ends at the table. If he made a ball besides he keeps shooting either until he misses, then the ball gets spotted. or it gets spotted before he shoots the 8.
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Sorry, IDK APA very well but that just sounds ridiculous. Why would he spot it at the end of his turn? What if he runs out? Then what would he do, decide to spot it then and it was just one less blocker in his way? If I was his opponet I would be pissed if that was the rule. In VNEA and I am pretty sure BCA any ball besides the cueball that flies off the table is immediatly a dead ball and is dropped down, if its the 8 ball its a loss no matter what because any time the 8 ball leaves the playing surface early its a loss.
 
In 9 ball:

6. Balls on the Floor - Knocking the cue ball off the playing surface is covered under fouls. Object balls that get knocked off the playing surface will be immediately spotted on the foot spot. If the foot spot is taken, the ball will be placed on a line directly behind the foot spot as close to the foot spot as possible. If two balls are knocked on the floor, they are placed in numerical order with the lowest numbered ball closest to the foot spot. Spotted balls will be frozen to one another. Knocking an object ball on the floor is not a foul. It might occur that a player legally pockets a ball while simultaneously knocking some other ball(s) on the floor. In this situation, the ball(s) is spotted and the player continues shooting until he misses.

This is from the APA website. There's also a rule there covering 8 ball. :cool:
 
In 8 ball:

6. Balls on the Floor - If the 8-ball is knocked on the floor, it is loss of game. Object balls knocked on the floor are spotted. If the spot is taken, the ball is placed on a line directly behind the spot as close as possible. Knocking a ball other than the cue ball on the floor is not a foul. It might occur that a player pockets his ball while simultaneously knocking another ball on the floor. In this situation, it is still his turn and the ball is not spotted until he misses. If the ball on the floor is one of the shooter's balls, it is spotted when the shooter has pocketed all of his other balls or misses.

Also on the APA website. :cool:
 
Right out of the APA team manual:
BALLS ON THE FLOOR
Knocking the cue ball off the playing surface is covered under fouls. Object balls that get knocked off the playing surface would be immediately spotted on the foot spot. If the foot spot is taken, the ball would be placed on a line directly behind the foot spot as close to the foot spot as possible. If two balls are knocked on the floor, they are placed in numerical order with the lowest numbered ball closest to the foot spot. Spotted balls are frozen to one another. Knocking an object ball on the floor is not a foul. It might occur that a player legally pockets a ball while simultaneously knocking some other ball(s) on the floor. In this situation, the ball(s) is spotted and the player continues shooting until he misses.
 
doitforthegame said:
So the other night my guy is shooting the one ball. He slammed it and it hit another ball, became airborne and the one landed on the floor. To much grumbling from my own team I said the one was a dead ball and the incoming player had ball in hand. My teammates wanted to spot the one and play the cue as it lies. Now obviously in real pool my call is correct, but I am not sure about how the APA treats it.

Opinions?

Bob
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Sorry, but you are wong. The one ball spots and there is no ball in hand.
 
I said it right the first time.
No other ball made, Loss of shot only and the ball gets spotted. If he made a legal legal ball at the same time, The ball stays off the table and he continues shooting until , either he misses, (then it gets spotted), or he runs out to the 8.
(then it gets spotted). He has to shoot it right before the 8.
FACT.
That is the nutshell version.
If you want me to type , word for word , I would be happy to,......... tomorrow.
I am correct.
 
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Shaky1 said:
Spot the one after his turn ends at the table. If he made a ball besides he keeps shooting either until he misses, then the ball gets spotted. or it gets spotted before he shoots the 8.
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master_cueist said:
... Why would he spot it at the end of his turn? What if he runs out? Then what would he do, decide to spot it then and it was just one less blocker in his way? ...
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I'd guess that someone used that interpretation of the rule on Shaky1 at some point...

Think about it... I jump the two ball off the table while making the seven, and have perfect position on the three. But now, by placing the two on the spot, I can't even SEE the two ball (because the four and the eight are in my way). So I tell my opponent, "Yeah, it gets spotted... when my turn is over". Now all I gotta do is make a legal hit on the three, and keep the cueball behind the four and eight (because now I KNOW where the two will end up).
"Your turn. Spot the two..."

I'm not condoning it in any way. It's pretty $h!tty, actually.

Whenever someone throws me a rule that just doesn't make sense to me, I try to figure out how they benefit from it...
 
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