what is the best gambling match you have ever seen?

Because you asked

I was never jealous of any player. I am a blessed man because I have hundreds of friends, a great family and a wonderful career, although it hasn't paid well.
Efren and the other top One Pocket players today play a notch better than my generation. Anyone who says differently doesn't know the game.
It doesn't bother me to admit that.
OK, if you want to know about my time when I thought I was the best One Pocket player in the world, I'll tell you. From about 78' to 89', I would play anyone. Everybody knew that. Nothin had to be said although there are some players who'll tell you that I wouldn't play them. That's utter nonsense and an outright lie. There were at least 12 times when I had $50,000 or more to play with and no one hustled me to play. I'm not saying I would have won, either because anyone who says that they're the "nuts" over a top player is an idiot. You hope you play all right, get a few rolls and MAYBE win.
There is one thing that has always rubbed me the wrong way. When I was a young up and coming player I considered it an honor to match up with an Ed Kelly, a Ronnie Allen or a Jersey Red, even if I had to take a little the worst of it. But Efren and Jose never took a ball from me or played me even when they were learning the game, not even once. Don't you think I might have not only enjoyed that but also learned something of ball running and inside english while they learned the game from me?
Efren played hundreds of hours of fun pool with Freddie and Billy instead.
One last thing to finish this thread up. At Mike X's last big event, whatever year that was, Bustamonte, Parica, and Luat are standing around. I offered to play any of them, for 2 or 3 thousand a game, One Pocket, Straight Pool or Banks. They wouldn't play, in other words, no looseness at all, like I've shown all of my adulthood. And, of course we'll never know who would have won.
 
Again with the Grady-is-jealous stuff?

I just watched Reyes vs Rempe on a 14.1 tape and Grady does commentary with Diliberto. Grady and Danny both compliment Efren the whole time without totally kissing his butt. To put it a different way, it seems like they both like Efren, have a ton of respect for Efren, but don't think every single thing the guy does is perfect.

I'm sure Grady will agree he's not perfect either but at least he's been in the middle of the action for decades and can judge things based on his own experience.
 
Hal said:
Why the hell would someone play for 5000 bananas?
Where would you get 5000 bananas?
What would you do with 5000 bananas once you were able to find them?

What would one do with 5000 bananas? Well...they'd GO BANANAS, of course! ;)
 
Kilojo, how can you say something like Buddy didn't step up again? You make it sound like Efren was always willing to play Buddy. I know for a fact that if Efren wanted to play Buddy, for a period of at least 12 years all he or his backers had to do was open their mouths.
I'm wearying of having to do this. There just has to be fact and logic on both sides of an issue to debate it.
I mean, C'mon where's your data? Were you there? You can't list purported facts as part of your hypothisis without proof of some sort. If I were Buddy I'd be offended at the mere suggestion that he wouldn't play someone when he was at the top of his game.
 
Fun pool?

Grady said:
...Don't you think I might have not only enjoyed that but also learned something of ball running and inside english while they learned the game from me?
Efren played hundreds of hours of fun pool with Freddie and Billy instead.
One last thing to finish this thread up.

We played fun pool? That is not a nice thing to say. Firstly, Billy always played Efren for THOUSANDS in Chicago. Granted he, unlike me, always had a good game. Efren and I (and Parica) played every day for a year, and we didnt bet thousands, but we played for at least 100$ a game! And I didnt play no two games and hop either. We played until the joint closed. That was 20 years ago, and I dont know of anybody else that stayed with that guy that long for any godd*mn bet. I didnt play short, big money sessions then mainly because I was on coke, and wouldnt get to play enough. You play 4 out of 7 for big cheese and your next match is two weeks later -- maybe.

the Beard
 
OK, I apologize for saying "fun pool". I wasn't around Chicago. I just know that none of the Philipinos would play me until they were awfully well schooled.
 
2 favs

i wanted to quickly add my 2 fav matches ive seen. I had no idea how special these matches were at the time i was watching them (funny how that works), i just thought stuff like this happened all the time in pool, NOT TRUE!

1) Efren playing aggi against the one pocket ghost. Some of the best pool i've ever seen. Imagine watching efren in 100% offense mode. In 5 racks he was going to i believe 40, ashamed to say i can't remember 100% if that is the right numer, it WAS in the 40's though for sure, it could have been 45. 4.5 inch pockets at hard times. He played a little stuck all night, but he never went way down. I watched all night and into the morning. at the time, i remember guys like john schmidt and other strong players were shooting around 25, tang hoa maybe 30 AT BEST, think about that. one of the best shots that i remember was shooting a ball down the long-rail of the pocket he was shooting at, catching the correct side of a ball at the edge of the stack and then hitting end rail and then side rail to get position on balls hed just broke open. he ran 15 3 times. aggi wasn't spotting balls he made in other pockets at the end so that robbed him of a couple more 15's (aggi robbed him on that). i could go on and on but long posts are boring.

2) mccready vs parica. keith getting 9 to 7. they played at bobs with parica winning and then went to um, mr billiards in like covina or something. keith found a gear and robbed him over there. unbelievable pool.

ok, nice thread.
 
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Grady said:
Kilojo, how can you say something like Buddy didn't step up again? You make it sound like Efren was always willing to play Buddy. I know for a fact that if Efren wanted to play Buddy, for a period of at least 12 years all he or his backers had to do was open their mouths.
I'm wearying of having to do this. There just has to be fact and logic on both sides of an issue to debate it.
I mean, C'mon where's your data? Were you there? You can't list purported facts as part of your hypothisis without proof of some sort. If I were Buddy I'd be offended at the mere suggestion that he wouldn't play someone when he was at the top of his game.
grady, you are right. i was not there. i have an uncle who was a road player, not nearly world class material but he eeked out a living. he was around alot in the later 80s. i was just going on what he said and heard even though some of what he heard was fabricated. I stand corrected.
 
Buddy and Efren

Look, I appreciate and totally accept your apology. Because you've been so nice, I'm gonna give the real skinny on these two guys. Before I do so please understand that I like both of them and the following words are not meant to denigrate or knock either great player.
Buddy and Efren have huge egos and both hate to lose, I mean really, really hate to lose. So it was that they didn't really want to play each other, although each could have obtained backing. The wind-up was that Buddy wanted to play "shoot-out" and Efren wanted to play one- foul.
They ended up letting this semi-technicality keep them from playing. To be honest I think they were both glad to not have to play the other. Lastly remember that neither man would stand still for a beating.
I think I'd like to be through with this subject if this venerable board doesn't mind.
 
are "purported" and "venerable" actual words in the English Dictionary?? Yeah...Grady all that may be true about Efren and Buddy, but I have never heard of either of them making a game and then backing out of it when they win the first half of it. And you know exactly what I am talking about!

Southpaw
 
You see, it doesn't matter what I say or how I present my facts there are always going to be Efren junkies who believe the type of tripe Southpaw has abovewritten.
I'm through with trying to explain historically and factually about certain things because it really discourages me to debate with illiterates.
I will do posts on great action places of the past and grand old champions.
 
Grady, 99.5% of us really enjoy your posts. Don't allow the .5 percenters to sway you from further contributions to this forum.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, and posts. I'm all for freedom of speech. I just hope that you can see past your antagonists.

Hearing you, Freddy, and others reflect upon these classic tales of billiard lore is extremely entertaining, and I think most of us would be very disappointed if any of you stopped posting.
 
I 100% agree with Matt. Please ignore the haters and know that the vast majority of us really enjoy your posts Grady.

It doesnt matter how great a thread is, someone always seems to be willing to sling the shit for no reason. Like today, a new poster puts up videos of Wu running 8 racks from a tournament that is being held over in Taiwan this week and sure enough someone immediately posts "Looks like big pockets to me".
 
Grady, all you do is talk about how you never got a shot at anything throughout your life while playing pool. All people hear about is "I never get any recognition or respect" or " I should make as much as any other athlete..." . Then you want to tear down world class players because they have made alot of money in this sport. You never hear about Parica winning huge tournaments, but he is one of the best "action" players that has ever played. Instead of always whining about you not getting this or that, why dont you sometimes give credit where credit is due. Everyone knows that you helped evolve one pocket into what it is today and for that you do deserve respect and recognition, but wouldnt you want your career to be remembered that way instead of always complaining about what you didnt get? In my opinion, thats what makes a true champion!

Southpaw
 
Where, in my posts about Buddy and Efren or Cochrun's or LA or Cole or Denny, etc. is there even a single sentence where I complain about not getting something or being denied something? You say I tear down world class players? Where is that?
Look, man, why don't you just critique somebody else's posts?
 
Hal said:
Why the hell would someone play for 5000 bananas?
Where would you get 5000 bananas?
What would you do with 5000 bananas once you were able to find them?
I heard there's a bacteria that is attacking the worlds banana trees and if it's not stopped they could go extinct.

Sorry for the off-topic post.
 
Grady said:
Where, in my posts about Buddy and Efren or Cochrun's or LA or Cole or Denny, etc. is there even a single sentence where I complain about not getting something or being denied something? You say I tear down world class players? Where is that?
Look, man, why don't you just critique somebody else's posts?

Southpaw:

I gotta go with Grady on this... I have not agreed with all of his posts in the past, but he has been adding some great stuff this year.

Thanks, Grady! Keep it up!
 
Grady, this thread was started about witnessing great matches. You get on here talking about players egos and who wouldnt play you and who was loose...etc. If you have some great matches to contribute then do so....Now, with that being said.....i saw Alex P. play the 10 ball ghost on a bar table once behind his back. He lost, but I think he would have tortured the 9 ball ghost that way.

Southpaw
 
Matt_24 said:
Grady, 99.5% of us really enjoy your posts. Don't allow the .5 percenters to sway you from further contributions to this forum.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, and posts. I'm all for freedom of speech. I just hope that you can see past your antagonists.

Hearing you, Freddy, and others reflect upon these classic tales of billiard lore is extremely entertaining, and I think most of us would be very disappointed if any of you stopped posting.

Nice post!

I can sure attest to Efren not being willing to take a beating, i saw it very evidently in a least a half dozen situations. He just wont go off like other players do, but you have to also give him credit for that.

I personally think this is like a psychology issue. have you ever had a guy (or girl) you looked up to in your life--whether it be a teacher, your father, a baseball coach-- and you looked up to him and just thought he was perfect, and that he could do no wrong. i would think everyone has had someone like this in their life. the fact is, that person is not perfect, no matter how bad you want to believe it, and when someone tells you there are not, you will defend them vigorously. and thats great, no problem, but im just telling you where i feel a lot of this knee-jerk efren defense stuff comes from.
 
enzo said:
Nice post!

I can sure attest to Efren not being willing to take a beating, i saw it very evidently in a least a half dozen situations. He just wont go off like other players do, but you have to also give him credit for that.

I personally think this is like a psychology issue. have you ever had a guy (or girl) you looked up to in your life--whether it be a teacher, your father, a baseball coach-- and you looked up to him and just thought he was perfect, and that he could do no wrong. i would think everyone has had someone like this in their life. the fact is, that person is not perfect, no matter how bad you want to believe it, and when someone tells you there are not, you will defend them vigorously. and thats great, no problem, but im just telling you where i feel a lot of this knee-jerk efren defense stuff comes from.
no, hes not perfect, but pretty darn close.
 
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