I don't mean to be rude but why is it that across the pond in the states you use 8 ball racks when racking them up in 9 ball why not just use a designated 9 ball rack. It might just be me but this just seems strange.
What is the best rack?
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drivermaker
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Jude Rosenstock said:
Mike and everyone else (including Jude)....Let Jude's last post as seen right here, indicate how EASY it is to get sucked up (or baited, whatever the case may be) into giving strong opinions on something within the pool industry that may in fact be negative or deleterious to a product or service.
It's damn near a mirror image of what Teacherman was saying about the way Janis was handling certain aspects of the Viking tour. Jude, just like Teacherman, is adamant in his beliefs without fear of reprisal. And EVERYTHING that he said about Sardo is almost to the letter what Teacherman was saying about hosting an event. The only thing that's changed is what's being sold, a rack vs. a tournament.
And Jude....I can't believe you fell for it like a fish that saw a fat worm on a hook. LMAO...sorry to use you like that but it makes for a great example of how things can be interpreted, misconstrued, and dragged out in a forum situation to make things look a lot worse that what they really are, especially if a whole bunch of people jump into the fray.
I could give a rat's ass about a Sardo rack to begin with, just like you. But this COULD have been a great thread if I was the least bit serious and wanted to drag it out...just like Teacherman got drug out. Heaven help you though if Carmine Sardo jumped in on the forum and got involved.
(Please remove all wadded up drawers out of the crack at this time)
the scorpion said:
Well, the biggest reason has to do with what's given. Trianagle racks are always provided by every poolroom and can be used for any pool game. Aside from that, most pool players find racking with a trangle more comfortable since there's space to help freeze up the balls. The fact is, when racking, only one corner of the rack is actually used. Anything else simply gets in the way.
Jude, DM is being Facetious. Read the thread AZBilliards Deathpool.
I like the Sardo, ya bastard. I have played on a table every friday night for 2 years and used the Sardo and have never even once seen a ball roll out when going through the rack area. This Dimple problem you speak of happens even without the sardo as the impact of the cueball into the rack puts downward pressure on the balls and makes the dimples anyways. The difference is the Sardo has those 2 arrows on the bottom that lets you sit the balls in the same dimples every damn time. The dimples don't get bigger or change cause the balls are in the same spot every time. But i do agree that the Sardo is a rippoff. I don't believe the Top Push-Down part of the sardo does absolutely anything. I think the same thing could be done if you took a normal rack, screwed a metal arrow into each bottom corner, marked the 2 dots on the table, giving you guidlines to place the rack in the same place every single time. Then you just TRAIN the balls once and your set. You could do the same thing as a Sardo with any normal rack.
When i recloth my table i am going to measure the correct location of the rack with a tape measure, make sure it is in the EXACT right spot, have a friend put some pressure on it to hold it in place, and take a Sharpie Marker and draw a outline all the way around the edge of the rack. That way the balls always get racked in the same spot, and the dimples that are naturally made, won't move around or be inconsistent.
As far as racks go, whoever said it is the 4th most important thing doesn't know what they are talking about. Was that you too JUDE? Sorry, don't mean to pick on you here, but to me, the rack is probably the MOST important part of a good rack. Just about every place i go, the balls won't freeze WHILE YOU ARE PUTTING PRESSURE WITH YOUR HANDS, let alone trying to pull the rack away. Most racks don't even have 1 good corner to rack in. Tell you what, go to the poolhall, and test each rack. I would bet that only half the racks have 1 Corner where the balls Nearly Freeze, and i would bet that maybe 4 racks in the whole place rack perfectly, on 1 corner only. I'm not talking about pulling the rack away and leaving a perfect rack, i am talking about pushing the balls together with your hands at the back corners of the balls pushing them towards the front Corner. It is rare to find a rack that will rack perfectly, every ball frozen.
I like the Sardo, ya bastard. I have played on a table every friday night for 2 years and used the Sardo and have never even once seen a ball roll out when going through the rack area. This Dimple problem you speak of happens even without the sardo as the impact of the cueball into the rack puts downward pressure on the balls and makes the dimples anyways. The difference is the Sardo has those 2 arrows on the bottom that lets you sit the balls in the same dimples every damn time. The dimples don't get bigger or change cause the balls are in the same spot every time. But i do agree that the Sardo is a rippoff. I don't believe the Top Push-Down part of the sardo does absolutely anything. I think the same thing could be done if you took a normal rack, screwed a metal arrow into each bottom corner, marked the 2 dots on the table, giving you guidlines to place the rack in the same place every single time. Then you just TRAIN the balls once and your set. You could do the same thing as a Sardo with any normal rack.
When i recloth my table i am going to measure the correct location of the rack with a tape measure, make sure it is in the EXACT right spot, have a friend put some pressure on it to hold it in place, and take a Sharpie Marker and draw a outline all the way around the edge of the rack. That way the balls always get racked in the same spot, and the dimples that are naturally made, won't move around or be inconsistent.
As far as racks go, whoever said it is the 4th most important thing doesn't know what they are talking about. Was that you too JUDE? Sorry, don't mean to pick on you here, but to me, the rack is probably the MOST important part of a good rack. Just about every place i go, the balls won't freeze WHILE YOU ARE PUTTING PRESSURE WITH YOUR HANDS, let alone trying to pull the rack away. Most racks don't even have 1 good corner to rack in. Tell you what, go to the poolhall, and test each rack. I would bet that only half the racks have 1 Corner where the balls Nearly Freeze, and i would bet that maybe 4 racks in the whole place rack perfectly, on 1 corner only. I'm not talking about pulling the rack away and leaving a perfect rack, i am talking about pushing the balls together with your hands at the back corners of the balls pushing them towards the front Corner. It is rare to find a rack that will rack perfectly, every ball frozen.
Barbara said:
It was 90% the rack. When there is a consistent gap between the 2-3 balls, its usually the rack. The rack over time seems to expand in that area. When you try a newer rack you can see the difference immediately.
Anyway i carry a brand new set of Super Aramith pros so i can break those out but im trying to buy the best rack too. One that wont change over a short time. Then I should be as set as possible.
fxskater said:
I just want to mention that you said you "like Sardo" and yet, in the same post you also said you think "it's a rip-off". I think sir, YOU don't know what YOU are talking about.
I worked in a poolroom for two years. I've been playing the game for 15. I've taken accurate measurements of 3 different types of poolballs, checking for roundness and consistency and figured I'd relay this information to this thread. I've also worked for a host location that used the Sardo rack for a tournament and know EXACTLY the effect it had on the play of the tables. You say I "don't know what I'm taking about" and aplogize immediately for "picking on me". I'm sorry but I really, really do know what I'm talking about. Your "shoot from the hip" opinion isn't even consistent within itself.
matthew staton
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LMAO can't get the ball tight put a rubber band around them . lol ya might have to go to the pool hall and keep losing and learn how to rack the balls like the rest of us.
Who the hell are you to decide when someone has made their last post? Who the hell are you to even suggest banning someone? He made a simple one sentence statement containing his opinions of the sardo rack. All of a sudden, all hell breaks loose about sales dropping and liabilities and so forth. I think Oprah would beg to differ on your opinion that he can be responsible for their slumping sales. Remember her victory over the dairy farmers? She said that beef was bad for you and encouraged MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of people not to eat beef. Cattle farmers sued her and LOST.drivermaker said:
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the scorpion said:
IMO, because it is unneccessary and possibly more difficult to use those diamond shaped racks specialized for 9-ball. 8-ball racks work just fine, bad racking jobs are caused by the racker usually.
Sardo schmardo, any well made wooden rack will do the job and not harm the table as much.
Good points Jude,Jude Rosenstock said:
I find the place where the one naturally wants to be. I then build the rest of the pack around the one. I then pivot the rack slightly with the one stationary, untill all the balls dont roll when the rack is removed. Two things are imortant when getting a rack, equal angles and no flex. Almost all racks have uneven angles, each should be 60 degrees, but rarely are they. Since most are uneven, you should experiment to find the apex that is closest to perfect, then mark it in some way. I inlayed a 3/8' white dot in our's. If a rack has flex the wing balls are pushed too far forward. I have used Diamond racks and like them a lot, they are rigid.
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