What is the best shaft?
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i feel the same way, i have had black dots for years and loved them, i tried an ob-1 shaft and i couldnt get use to it, so now i have a mcdermott i2 shaft and it is accurate, low deflection great shaft but i just do not like how the hit feel, its a hollow hit. probabnly cause of the carbon insert. i am selling it for those interested, i am looking into a predator probably cause i do not like the universal either.
i do love my 31" tim scruggs shaft i have on my scruggs sneaky pete. just plain rock maple. but i need one for my mcdermott.
i do love my 31" tim scruggs shaft i have on my scruggs sneaky pete. just plain rock maple. but i need one for my mcdermott.
not a bad idea........
I like to play with a good dense old growth shaft, 25 ring count , 3/4" ferrule. I just like the way an old growth shaft feels and plays. I like a stiffer hitting cue.
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manwon said:Non-laminated shafts are the best!!!!
Low defection and a lot of english are more effected by stroke and solid firm hit than anything else.
This technique is not magic, it is however, an acquired skill and the secret is simple practice practice practice
Do not be deceived by the laminated shaft myth, it's the player not the shaft, and if you do not believe this you have gotten the shaft!!!!!
Manwon
if you had ANY idea about what deflection is and meant, you wouldn't have posted such an idiotic post.
people in here always talk about deflection, and have NO idea what it is, or how to measure it.
i bet about 5% of you truly do.
MHO.
chris G
Handsumm
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bogey54311 said:
So what is it? Or do you not want to back up your own deflamatory remarks? Deflection is not a difficult concept.
If one wants to decrease cue ball deflection, also called "squirt", they will get a shaft that bends out of the way (has MORE deflection than an average shaft) more easily so as to not cause this sideways drift before striking an object ball when using English.
Low deflection shafts actually deflect more than regular ones, but they cause less cue ball deflection, hence the name.
There it is. DO I know about deflection according to you?
bogey54311 said:
Hey Chris, idiotic can mean many things, but since you are an expert on deflection and since only 5% of the people on this forum are gifted enough to have your knowledge please enlighten the rest of us.
Please break down what deflection is and how you personally measure it.
Chris there is a big difference between being an idiot and being un-learned, so I think that you should look up the defintion.
PS. Thanks for your information in advance!!!!!!!
Manwon
manwon said:
When people talk about deflection on these boards, 99.9% of the time, they're talking about cueball deflection. It's measured as an angle of deviation from the line of aim when shooting with english. In cue terms, how much cueball deflection a cue has can be described by the term "pivot point." The pivot point creates an off-angle aim, which should be related to the angle created by cueball deflection.
Laminated shafts have virtually nothing to do with cueball deflection. Many people still are confused on this. The amount of cueball deflection a shaft has is primarily due to the amount of mass/weight at the tip end of the shaft or how much weight/mass is involved in the sideways direction (the english direction).
Both of these paragraphs, Chris has a good handle on. I'm sure he was commenting that you seemed to link laminated shafts with cueball deflection (among a few other things in your post). There isn't any link, as far as the latest and greatest understanding of the subject which has been hashed over thousands of times on this board.
Colin Colenso's video on backhand english and pivot points was a pretty good demo of squirt or cueball deflection.
Fred
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There is squirt, then there is swerve.
I do not see how lamination can reduce squirt, but I believe reducing front end mass and increasing the flexibility of the front portion could.
There is always swerve which the player would have to deal with no matter what shaft he/she is using, is that correct?
Just exactly how does 15% less deflection helps a person's aim?
Does he adjust 15% less on every shot?
Some shots will have more swerve than others, so the ultimate contact point is still going to be different depending on the speed of the shot and so on, or have I missed something?
Let's not forget throw...humm, I am having a headache.
I wish we can all just aim 15% or 25% or whatever less on evershot with English and make all the shots..I really wish it was true.
Richard
I do not see how lamination can reduce squirt, but I believe reducing front end mass and increasing the flexibility of the front portion could.
There is always swerve which the player would have to deal with no matter what shaft he/she is using, is that correct?
Just exactly how does 15% less deflection helps a person's aim?
Does he adjust 15% less on every shot?
Some shots will have more swerve than others, so the ultimate contact point is still going to be different depending on the speed of the shot and so on, or have I missed something?
Let's not forget throw...humm, I am having a headache.
I wish we can all just aim 15% or 25% or whatever less on evershot with English and make all the shots..I really wish it was true.
Richard
manwon said:
LOL.
sorry, i was having a bad day. i was a little rough.
fred was very correct in his explanation.
give a older guy who is a good player and plays with regular shaft sometime a 314. he will look like a fool with it. because he is used to deflection.
when you aim with a regular shaft or 314 with no english, you aim at the same spot on the object ball.
now, with a regular shaft, if you are using any kind of side spin (L or R english), the spot you aim at changes.
if you use english with a 314, the aiming spot is almost the same as if you used no english at all.
like fred said, they lightened the front of the shaft, and its also to do with the long taper, and soft ferrule.
you can also generate much more spin (english) with a 314 shaft than a regular shaft.
downside, they don't hit as nice as a top notch regular shaft.
i am more interested in playability myself.
(i tried to give you a very simple, practical explaination)
so when you say, and i quote "Do not be deceived by the laminated shaft myth, it's the player not the shaft, and if you do not believe this you have gotten the shaft!!!!!" , this couldn't be any farther than the truth.
happy holidays yourself bud.
chris G <--------(hoping santa brings him another 314 with a med. moori)
PS. i look loke a fool playing with a regular 13mm shaft. give me a 314, and ill give ya the 7 out and the breaks.
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Cornerman said:
gets old, huh fred?
your either a predator lover or you ain't.
have a great christmas fred, you and your family.
chris G <----------(i love em i love em i love em!........not fred, the shafts)
X Breaker said:
it is.
take the time and start using a predator.
it will take some time to get used to, but they do work.
that's why so many players use em.
chris G