What is the trends for using Jump Cues?

Corwyn_8 said:
The golf organizations ban the things which make golf a worse game, and keep new innovations which make it a better game. Not hard to understand I should think.

Frankly if you can't think of a pool innovation which would totally wreck the game, I recommend working on your imagination. Anyone think laser cues should be allowed in competition? So the question boils down to whether any given innovation improves the game or not. Unfortunately, pool doesn't (yet) have an objective a standard like golf has created for itself. So we are left with opinions. Neither of those opinions is wrong.

Thank You Kindly.
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Golf and any organization responsible for evaluating equipment for use in their sports makes their own determinations. Pool has settled this question for more than 20 years. If pool were to be an Olympic sport tomorrow then jump cues would be part of it.

Not to difficult for anywhere to understand I would hope. People bring up what other organizations in other sports have ruled over their sport without realizing the hypocrisy of accepting those decisions and simultaneously rejecting the decisions by the governing bodies in pool.

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JB Cases said:
Did the jump cue make the shot or did you have to get up there and aim it, decide of the angle to use, figure the force and the amount of spin?

In other words you still had to come with a good shot that YOU directed.

On Sunday I got beat by a wild kick shot. I played the guy safe, no way to jump it so he goes for a kick at 90 mph. Balls flying everywhere, two go in and when everything stops moving he has a cosmo out.

I said, well, I guess my safe should have been tighter.



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That's what you get when you play slop. Johnnyt
 
JB Cases said:
Then why don't golfers use the same equipment they did in 1920?

In other words any association gets it if they make decisions you agree with and are knuckleheads if they don't.



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Never said anyone is a knucklehead ,,
The way Golf is played Tee to Green has never changed and when some comes up with a club that turns a penalty into just another shot it's simply not allowed
That's excatly what a jump cue does it makes the game easier for the people who would be penalized most ,,

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Talk to room owners. They fkn hate them. With a regular length cue a jump is at a much flatter angle. With a 'shorty the angle can be very steep and these shots will not only mark-up but put small holes in cloth.
 
Do the pros want them banned?

I seem to recall the pros on TAR podcasts were usually happy TAR did not allow them. In the interview of SVB recently posted on AZ he said they should be banned:

Question: And what's your attitude to jump shots?
SVB: Jump cues gotta go. Jump cues are for amateurs.
 
trob said:
This year golf is going to ban the pitching wedge from players bags because it makes it to easy to put it close to the pin..


yeah that's how silly people sound wanting to ban jump cues....
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I wish people who made comparisons to golf actually knew something about golf. Square groove wedges were banned from the game a few years ago. In essence, a square groove allows you to spin a ball when playing out of the rough, so you could actually attack the pin from an unfavourable lie, thus making penalties for poor positional play nearly non existent.

Sound like something that was added to the pool bag about 20 years ago?
 
JB Cases said:
Did the jump cue make the shot or did you have to get up there and aim it, decide of the angle to use, figure the force and the amount of spin?

In other words you still had to come with a good shot that YOU directed.

On Sunday I got beat by a wild kick shot. I played the guy safe, no way to jump it so he goes for a kick at 90 mph. Balls flying everywhere, two go in and when everything stops moving he has a cosmo out.

I said, well, I guess my safe should have been tighter.

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John,

Yes I did aim the shot. Playing BCAPL league pool, I called the ball in the pocket it went into. No one questioned the validity of the hit. On the other hand, you were playing in a game where slop was allowed. Whether league or head to head. If I had had to use my full length cue, would never have been able to make the jump. If I had kicked at the ball, there was no way I would have made it. The jump cue I used (and some skill) was the reason I was able to make the shot. Period!!!! No jump cue, no win.

Lyn
 
JB Cases said:
Did the jump cue make the shot or did you have to get up there and aim it, decide of the angle to use, figure the force and the amount of spin?

In other words you still had to come with a good shot that YOU directed.

On Sunday I got beat by a wild kick shot. I played the guy safe, no way to jump it so he goes for a kick at 90 mph. Balls flying everywhere, two go in and when everything stops moving he has a cosmo out.

I said, well, I guess my safe should have been tighter.



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You were playing a race to 1?
 
Johnnyt said:
That's what you get when you play slop. Johnnyt
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I agree. So why is there no major whine-fest on here weekly to change the rules to call shot in every game?

Or why don't the the people who act like kicking a ball is the greatest thing a pool player can ever do at least admit that a lot of kick shots have simply LUCKY results?

I won a $100 a game 9 ball 10 ahead match a couple months ago playing call shot/call safe, no jump cues because of the house rule barring them.

I had no fear of kicking in that match because I was extremely confident in my kicking ability. While I would call safety most of the time when kicking it was very controlled and often resulted in a safe near to what I intended.

My opponent was not prepared for that level of precision in kicking from me I don't think because he knew that I was a good jumper. The point being that any player has to work on all aspects of their game because neglecting any of them makes them unprepared to handle any shot that comes up.
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
I wish people who made comparisons to golf actually knew something about golf. Square groove wedges were banned from the game a few years ago. In essence, a square groove allows you to spin a ball when playing out of the rough, so you could actually attack the pin from an unfavourable lie, thus making penalties for poor positional play nearly non existent.

Sound like something that was added to the pool bag about 20 years ago?
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No, doesn't sound like it at all. Because unlike golf, pool is played with two players actively influencing the playing field. So while some players do hook themselves the vast majority of blocked shots happen because the outgoing shooter hooked the incoming shooter deliberately.

As far as golf goes, that is a completely different sport with completely different rules and needs. The entire billiard industry is worth between 500 million and a billion dollars annually. Golf is worth 76 billion as seen by a quick google search.

here is how they handle this square groove thing:

http://www.pga.com/node/77953
 
JB Cases said:
No, doesn't sound like it at all. Because unlike golf, pool is played with two players actively influencing the playing field. So while some players do hook themselves the vast majority of blocked shots happen because the outgoing shooter hooked the incoming shooter deliberately.

As far as golf goes, that is a completely different sport with completely different rules and needs. The entire billiard industry is worth between 500 million and a billion dollars annually. Golf is worth 76 billion as seen by a quick google search.

here is how they handle this square groove thing:

http://www.pga.com/node/77953
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Again, people making comments about golf that don't golf. What happens when your ball lands in a divot, John? Or in a crater left by the ground crew? Do they pull out the special club that deals with those things left by other players? "Play it as it lies". I didn't make the divot. Someone else did. And I have to play it from that lie, because those are the rules of golf. So it's pretty much the exact same thing. You have to play your next shot from where the ball ends up at rest.
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
Again, people making comments about golf that don't golf. What happens when your ball lands in a divot, John? Or in a crater left by the ground crew? Do they pull out the special club that deals with those things left by other players? "Play it as it lies". I didn't make the divot. Someone else did. And I have to play it from that lie, because those are the rules of golf. So it's pretty much the exact same thing. You have to play your next shot from where the ball ends up at rest.
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I said that GOLF has made the determination based on the NEEDS of golf.

Pool has settled the question of jump cues 20 years ago.

Don't like it, get yourself into a position to change it or continue to cry and whine about it every couple weeks.

Want to know part of the problem as to why pool can't ahead in the USA? No one to contract with who accurately represents pool overall. Every promoter makes their own rules, every room makes their own rules, every small TD makes their own rules.

The PGA is OWNED by the players. So any rules they make are sanctioned by the players.

The USGA is the accepted governing body for all amateur golf in the USA.

Pool has nothing like that. The closest we have is the WPA and formerly the BCA. And in that regard jump cues were regulated 20 years ago and have been used without problems ever since. Pool is not golf. Golf is not pool.

Whine, cry, moan, wring your hands, get depressed about it.....give yourself heartache over it....doesn't matter. Jump cues are legal where they are legal and not where they are not. Where they are is in all WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS and all MAJOR events around the world that are sanctioned by the WPA.

Don't like it, go play golf.
 
JB Cases said:
I said that GOLF has made the determination based on the NEEDS of golf.

Pool has settled the question of jump cues 20 years ago.

Don't like it, get yourself into a position to change it or continue to cry and whine about it every couple weeks.

Want to know part of the problem as to why pool can't ahead in the USA? No one to contract with who accurately represents pool overall. Every promoter makes their own rules, every room makes their own rules, every small TD makes their own rules.

The PGA is OWNED by the players. So any rules they make are sanctioned by the players.

The USGA is the accepted governing body for all amateur golf in the USA.

Pool has nothing like that. The closest we have is the WPA and formerly the BCA. And in that regard jump cues were regulated 20 years ago and have been used without problems ever since. Pool is not golf. Golf is not pool.

Whine, cry, moan, wring your hands, get depressed about it.....give yourself heartache over it....doesn't matter. Jump cues are legal where they are legal and not where they are not. Where they are is in all WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS and all MAJOR events around the world that are sanctioned by the WPA.

Don't like it, go play golf.
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Typical JB over response. I mentioned nothing about them needing to be banned in my post. Get off the soapbox. Grow up.
 
I think most people who are AGAINST jump cues are those who lack the ability to use one. (With the exception of some professionals) Show me a guy who can kick a ball in and draw back down table for shape and run out.... Yeah, I'll stick to my Lomax for that shot.
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
And he won the entire match on a lucky kick, huh? How about the other 4 games he won?
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You missed the point, unsurprisingly.

It was an example that LUCK happens on kick shots also. And sometimes it costs the set.

I think everyone BUT you gets this point.

However had I played a better safety then the chances of him getting lucky on the relatively easy two rail kick would have been dramatically reduced. Had I played with MORE skill and taken away the EASY kick then it's likely I would have been the one who ended up with a cosmo out to take the set.

I think you would cut off your own finger just to win an argument with yourself.

Also in the room we played in jump cues are banned on the bar tables but allowed on the big tables. Not sure why other than personal bias from the former owner that carried on to the current owner.
 
John,
We already gave you an aiming thread area. Are you looking for a jump cue section?

The world is bigger than you young man. Give some of the rest of us some air to breath.


Nick
 
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