What kind of table is this? How do I care for it?

[Keane]

Hi all,
I'm buying my first house (in Hillsboro Oregon if that helps the ID), and decided to buy the table that is sitting in it.

It looks like a 9ft table, and has a slate top without a backing plate (you can see the slate under the table). It seems to be 100% 'real' wood (no particle board, etc). It seems like it is quite old, and the owner says it was in the house when he bought it too. There was an ID plate on the side near the stairs, however it is now missing.

Attached are all of the pictures I have of it at the moment, anyone have any idea what it is?

Additionally, since it is so old, are there any special care instructions I should take? Do I need to do anything differently than with a newer table?

Finally, what would it take to make it play 'perfect'? The local bar just got a bunch of new Diamond tables that played absolutely amazingly, and would like to get this one as close as possible! Is there anyone in the Portland OR area that you could recommend to level/cloth the table?

Thanks!

 

[Oregonmeds]

Welcome neighbor...

That is a beautiful table, but I'm no mechanic and don't know a thing about it, nor can I help fix or level it. I'm still learning how to fix and level my own table, it's in pieces mid restoration. If nobody knows it may be easier for them to tell if you take a picture of the underside of the frame too when you get a chance. Often manufacturers frames all look very similar in design underneath, even though the outside varies so much from model to model. Might help to at least narrow it down to which manufacturer to contact for further info.

I must be very close to you. I'm on the edge of beaverton near 198th and tv hwy and am very curious who has Diamond tables in this area and which model and what type? I didn't know anyone did yet.

I mostly play just the tournaments at the Underground, 185th and tv hwy if you are new to the area. It's nothing special but a good convieniently close place to find some really decent local competition, all friendly people there any more it's moved on from it's seedy clubbing days finally. I've been going there for years. Anyway in case you didn't know or are new to the area a lot of good locals play there even Glenn Atwell, but I haven't seen him around in a few months at least. They just have 8' valley type bar boxes but with fresh simonis and tournament quality balls and good competitions twice a week. If you're interested...

:thumbup:

 

[bud02]

It looks like its about due for a recover and maybe a different light. As for finding out who made it on your own I'd start with the local manufacture.

Golden West
800-423-5702 | 503-788-8032
5505 S.E. Johnson Creek Blvd. Portland, OR 97206

A pool hall I played out of in S Cal sold them in the 80s. It looks and sounds like it may be one of theirs. They make a ton of different styles, makes selling the wife on a new piece of furniture easier. He sold alot of them. John would tell us about the concerns people would have before buying. Most amounted to cloth color, style, custom covers and "quality" value of the purchase. Most were just buying to fill up the extera room they had in thier new 600 thousand dollar track home, not exactly players. John was quite a salesman, he would set them up with what ever they wanted, tangerine cloth and all. They do make a nice table, but it all depends on what the customer ordered, as far as rails, cloth, pockets ect. like buying options on a new car. Only a knowledgeable mechanic could tell you exactly what you have.

 

[Keane]

Welcome neighbor...

That is a beautiful table, but I'm no mechanic and don't know a thing about it, nor can I help fix or level it. I'm still learning how to fix and level my own table, it's in pieces mid restoration. If nobody knows it may be easier for them to tell if you take a picture of the underside of the frame too when you get a chance. Often manufacturers frames all look very similar in design underneath, even though the outside varies so much from model to model. Might help to at least narrow it down to which manufacturer to contact for further info.

I must be very close to you. I'm on the edge of beaverton near 198th and tv hwy and am very curious who has Diamond tables in this area and which model and what type? I didn't know anyone did yet.

I mostly play just the tournaments at the Underground, 185th and tv hwy if you are new to the area. It's nothing special but a good convieniently close place to find some really decent local competition, all friendly people there any more it's moved on from it's seedy clubbing days finally. I've been going there for years. Anyway in case you didn't know or are new to the area a lot of good locals play there even Glenn Atwell, but I haven't seen him around in a few months at least. They just have 8' valley type bar boxes but with fresh simonis and tournament quality balls and good competitions twice a week. If you're interested...

:thumbup:

I currently live at 185th and Cornell (play at the West Union with my APA team), though I'm moving to SE in downtown hillsboro, so I'll finally have room for a table

The new tables are actually at the Underground! They got them in this past week. It is 10x better than it was before (they put the tables where the poker/dance floor used to be!), so it is worth checking out!

 

[Oregonmeds]

Cool well congrats on the new home and table, that is a beauty.

That's the best news I've heard in a long time. I finally get a gold crown and the Underground gets diamonds, best of both worlds.
Life is really looking good all the sudden...

I missed a few weeks, but I think I know where I'll be tonight. I haven't had any chance to get used to 9'ers yet though, so I'll probably struggle.

 

[RackemBilliards]

Diamonds in Portland

Paul at Classic Billiards also recently put in 3 Diamonds.

 

[Club Billiards]

That does look like a Golden West. That was a very unique leg design that I've only seen on one model.

For that table to play close to the Diamonds, you need rail re-calibration, subrail extensions, new cushions and cloth, and the slate properly leveled and sealed.

 

[Oregonmeds]

Paul at Classic Billiards also recently put in 3 Diamonds.

Cool. I haven't been there in years, maybe a decade actually. I used to live in that area and when I got out of it I couldn't wait to never go back.

Nothong wrong with the place, just location location location.

How is the crowd there? Still plenty of tweakers and wanna be gangsters?
Back when I lived in SE meth had taken much of it over and my cars were broken into or stolen repeatedly.

Felony flats...

 

[RackemBilliards]

Classic

Cool. I haven't been there in years, maybe a decade actually. I used to live in that area and when I got out of it I couldn't wait to never go back.

Nothong wrong with the place, just location location location.

How is the crowd there? Still plenty of tweakers and wanna be gangsters?
Back when I lived in SE meth had taken much of it over and my cars were broken into or stolen repeatedly.

Felony flats...

I can't speak about the crowd as I live in Southern Oregon, but I always make it a point to stop by when I'm up there, which I'm not very often. Paul is a friend, and I know he has always worked hard on the pool room. I was congratulating him on his 25th anniversary a while back and he mentioned the Diamonds.

 

[Oregonmeds]

Yea it's not a bad place or anything and I always was treated welll there, just still obviously carry a grudge at all the troubles I experienced in that general area is all.

 

[BJones02]

Fantastic Table! I've always been a sucker for GW tables. I don't normally like those style of leg, but GW did it right with those, looks great.

 

[Club Billiards]

Looking closer at the pictures, there is actually supposed to be a length-wise piece that spans the leg stretchers. It's the same as what spans across the legs at the ends of the tables, but it goes from the middle of those lengthwise.

 

[Keane]

Hmm... interesting, I'll have to see if the previous owner knows anything about that.

Do you perhaps have a good mechanic that I could use to do what you mentioned above? I read some bad stuff about the current Golden-West people that makes me want to shy away from them.

 

[Robertson's]

great table

That is a nice old table. Im thinking its an old Peter Vitalie, based on the legs. You defiantly need to refelt, it probably playing good becuase whoever had it before you seemed to play on it alot and was pretty good. That laser line break scar is great. nice table with a lot of character!

 

[Donny Wessels]

Looking closer at the pictures, there is actually supposed to be a length-wise piece that spans the leg stretchers. It's the same as what spans across the legs at the ends of the tables, but it goes from the middle of those lengthwise.

thats true, Ive seen a bunch of these tables in So CA.

 

[Oregonmeds]

I agree with the guy who said that break wear is so consistent the guy before you seemed to take playing pretty seriously, so the table probably does play pretty good, but you obviously need cloth.

On a decent mechanic in this area... I was told in a previous thread I started to "Get a hold of Gordan Graham hes up in that part of the country now 425-275-8255". Apparently he's a top quality mechanic, doesn't live here but travels to this area.

I wouldn't be suprised if we didn't have a local master mechanic and would avoid the typical golden west mechanics like you said... I've heard plenty of bad things about at least one local hack, or family of them. Names I recognize from craigslist and other local ads. I won't name names, but a search for portland oregon mechanic here will probably pop up those names of who to avoid. You could always ask around at the Underground and see who they have doing their table work, if it looks acceptable, might not be a "master" mechanic but you probably only need a good recloth.


Lastly I went and checked out the underground and must admit I was really dissapointed to see they changed out their good playing 8'ers for those 7' diamonds. Beautiful tables, but that's just too small...