What Should We Do About The Rack?

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you know, sardo had the right idea. their idea was, all of the wooden racks out there are inadequate. so they invented a machine. problem, was they discovered the wing ball went EVERY time without fail! so they decided to put the 9-ball on the foot spot, stopping the wing ball from going in. problem now?, if the player broke soft, the 1-ball goes straight into the side. audiences hated this soft break, thus complaints abound. the women didn't want to pay a high price on the wpba tour, so they got rid of it and went back to the old fashioned wooden rack. question, now what? didn't sardo have the right idea?, i think so. of course, treating the table for 15 hours, isn't a great perfected product, but, i think we need a new company to make a machine rack that's perfect where the table dosen;t have to be treated, and people do not use the soft break. am i wrong? what's your opinion? the break is the most important shot in 9-ball besides pocketing the 9-ball itself, don't we deserve a perfected racking device? i think so.
 
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you know, sardo had the right idea. their idea was, all of the wooden racks out there are inadequate. so they invented a machine. problem, was they discovered the wing ball went EVERY time without fail! so they decided to put the 9-ball on the foot spot, stopping the wing ball from going in. problem now?, if the player broke soft, the 1-ball goes straight into the side. audiences hated this soft break, thus complaints abound. the women didn't want to pay a high price on the wpba tour, so they got rid of it and went back to the old fashioned wooden rack. question, now what? didn't sardo have the right idea?, i think so. of course, treating the table for 15 hours, isn't a great perfected product, but, i think we need a new company to make a machine rack that's perfect where the table dosen;t have to be treated, and people do not use the soft break. am i wrong? what's your opinion? the break is the most important shot in 9-ball besides pocketing the 9-ball itself, don't we deserve a perfected racking device? i think so.
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The problem here is that the Sardo is a perfect racking device. You can't make a racking device any better. All of the balls freeze with absolutely no spaces anywhere. What kind of new machine are we talking about here? Something that puts spaces in specific places? There are 2 choices when it comes to racking:
1. A perfect rack with no spaces using the Sardo tight rack, with the disadvantages you speak of.
or
2. Rack with a normal wooden rack with slight inconsistence's.

I don't think you could create something to Freeze them differently. I don't think the problem lies in the rack itself, but the problem lies in the level of the Pros. If someone comes up with a different rack that racks them the same everytime, Pros will learn to take advantage of it and find another ball to make every time. There is no solution to this problem, other than using the regular old rack.
 
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THE SILENCER said:
you know, sardo had the right idea. their idea was, all of the wooden racks out there are inadequate. so they invented a machine. problem, was they discovered the wing ball went EVERY time without fail! so they decided to put the 9-ball on the foot spot, stopping the wing ball from going in. problem now?, if the player broke soft, the 1-ball goes straight into the side. audiences hated this soft break, thus complaints abound. the women didn't want to pay a high price on the wpba tour, so they got rid of it and went back to the old fashioned wooden rack. question, now what? didn't sardo have the right idea?, i think so. of course, treating the table for 15 hours, isn't a great perfected product, but, i think we need a new company to make a machine rack that's perfect where the table dosen;t have to be treated, and people do not use the soft break. am i wrong? what's your opinion? the break is the most important shot in 9-ball besides pocketing the 9-ball itself, don't we deserve a perfected racking device? i think so.
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Silencer, You make some valid points. The Sardo has it's drawbacks, but at least we don't have to listen to guys complaining theopponont is messing with the rack. That gets old real quick. The best suggeestion I've got about the corner ball is change to 10 ball. Mayybe try moving the spot back 1 ball or so.
And by the way, even with the Sardo you should check the front balls. Sam
 
You could always, learn how to rack with a wood rack, then I guess it would be how to break, make a ball and control the cue ball and get a shot. Why is that so hard to do I wonder?
 
I agree with you Satman that 10-ball is the way to go.

I also agree that you still have to check the rack with the Sardo. It is a perfect rack unless the table needs to be retrained.

I think the racking problem will be always be something for those of us here to debate.

Sarah
 
Hi Sarah, i usually play Euro-tour (and Italian championship) and in my opinion the racking system is the main problem we have. Tournaments are mostly organized near to perfection here, time schedules are punctual, tables and venues are good and the level of play is high (this was my first year in the Tour, and i'm having a lot of fun..).
The only thing to improve is the racking system, because EPBF doesn't have Sardos in use and the opponent racks for the breaker. We always check the rack before breaking, and many times we ask for a re-racking, but many players know how to rack in a way that looks regular but the balls are not strongly frozen, and anyway having to check the rack, ask for a re-rack and sometimes being still disappointed after breaking is very annoying, for the whole tournament.
In the last few years in Italy we have adopted the system to rack by ourselves (of course theopponent is allowed to check..), our Federation allows it and i think it works better. In Euro-tour we can't do it (when i played Ralf and asked to rack by myself he looked at me like an alien..), and there's no referee until the semis.
What's your opinion?
Sorry for my uncertain english.. :rolleyes:

Tom
 
I would rather have the Sardo rack if I was playing in a tournament, but if I'm gambling, I would not use the Sardo rack, period. I can run more racks using the Sardo rack in the tournament, and if I was gambling, I would not want all those side balls flying in on the break. ;)
 
Keith McCready said:
I would rather have the Sardo rack if I was playing in a tournament, but if I'm gambling, I would not use the Sardo rack, period. I can run more racks using the Sardo rack in the tournament, and if I was gambling, I would not want all those side balls flying in on the break. ;)
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I like the rack your own balls system.Although i seldom play 9ball, I have seen a way to Rack the balls in 9 ball to your breaking opponents disadvantage.

Laura
 
wood racks

elanobeone said:
You could always, learn how to rack with a wood rack, then I guess it would be how to break, make a ball and control the cue ball and get a shot. Why is that so hard to do I wonder?
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Learning to rack the balls is not a problem, learning to break and control the cue ball isno problem. But learning to live with unscrupulous people who will do things to the rack to put you at a disadvantage (aka cheaters who have no heart or morals) is something we should not have to learn. Sam
 
I have a Sardo, had it since almost day 1. The key to the system is the "training" of the cloth. Without these little dimples to register the balls, the whole system is useless. I can't imagine a device that would work on any cloth, first time. Worse when the cloth is worn a bit and the tracks start to develope. The best system would involve a clone of Michaela Tabb. oooh, yeah! :D :) ;)
 
I don't 10-Ball is neccessarily the correct game. Besides, you can make the corner ball (if your breaking from the left, the right corner ball) 4 rails-the foot rail, the right hand side rail, the end rail and the top left rail and straight into the corner.
 
I think the problem is that they made a product that is too perfect wow was there ever such a thing?.......it just made 9-ball too predictable well the break part that is which is not 9-ball about. Besides it looks soo boring on tv....entertain the fans with big breaks....no wonder pool ain't going that far...boring as hell.
 
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Sardine Rack is not perfect. It relies on the trainer template and the divots it creates on the cloth. One-holers hate it.
There was nothing wrong with the old Spinnali triangle. Best triangle ever made. You can just draw the outside edge of in on the cloth and trace it everytime you rack.
I suggest alternate breaks format and 10-ball.
Or maybe someday, a ball dispenser like what they do for lotto balls. :-)
 
Tom, you are right, the rack your own might work well but it still involves checking the rack. Good luck in your first year playing on the Euro Tour!

Keith, I agree with you. The Sardo is great for tournaments because things go quicker and more racks can be run. It is awful for gambling. No one wants to have someone running out on them constantly.

Joseph Cues, you are also right that the Sardo is not perfect. It should be advertised as "nearly perfect" The dimples in the cloth do pose a problem. I'm sure sometime in the near future there will be another invention or maybe even a re-invented Sardo.

Sarah
 
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The best system would involve a clone of Michaela Tabb. oooh, yeah! QUOTE]

Ladies and gentleman....I think we just might have a solution :)
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Sardo gives a consistent rack (provided the table is set up properly). It takes the randomness out of the rack, so to speak. Some players don't like this and some do. IMO, it's just like ivory joints and SS joints. Different, but one is not better. I don't like SS joints, so should they be banned? Of course not. Now the randomeness of the rack affects both players, unlike the joint on one cue, but it really comes down to do you like the randomness or not?
 
tom said:
Sorry for my uncertain english.. :rolleyes:
Tom
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Your comment wasn't addressed to me, but I'd just like to say that your "uncertain english" beats the hell out of my non-existent Italian. Seriously, I think you're English was more than fine.
If I knew Italian as well as you know English I'd know what my barber was saying about me when I got my hair cut. ;-)
 
How about putting the one ball in the back of the rack and forcing the breaker to kick at it 1 or 2 rails?

Oh, just a thought, but it would be interesting.

Let's get out our lazer sighted cues!!! lol
 
back break?????

jason said:
How about putting the one ball in the back of the rack and forcing the breaker to kick at it 1 or 2 rails?

Oh, just a thought, but it would be interesting.

Let's get out our lazer sighted cues!!! lol
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That's a good temporary solution. But if you take your cue ball and place it by the foot rail and hit the one ball at various speeds you'll find it's probably got another dead ball out of the pack. Let's just move the spot back 2 inches and see what happens. Sam
 
satman said:
That's a good temporary solution. But if you take your cue ball and place it by the foot rail and hit the one ball at various speeds you'll find it's probably got another dead ball out of the pack. Let's just move the spot back 2 inches and see what happens. Sam
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Sam,
I was joking...lol
 
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