What To Do Here?

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DrCue'sProtege

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had this spread the other night, and wasnt quite sure what to do with it? you cannot miss the '5' and '8' if you pocket the '1' Ball. unless you hit it with extreme draw, then you will probably scratch in the corner.

what would you posters do in this situation?

DCP

p.s. cue ball at Point A, of course.

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Maybe use that layout to move that 5,
Are you sure you can't miss the 5 if you cheat the pocket a lil bit hitting soft using top?
 
If you can hit the one with enough top then you can thin the five into the eight pushing out the eight. Cue ball into the rail then up table for the two. Five will likely still be on rail but eight will be closer to the corner pocket. Just a thought
 
I would try and determine which side of the five I was going to hit with the cb and then adjust the speed and english to deliver the cb to the center'ish of the table...if I miscalculated I'm still more than likely going to have some kind of decent shot on the two'ball....you're suppose to love this start up shot...LOL
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
you cannot miss the '5' and '8' if you pocket the '1' Ball. unless you hit it with extreme draw, then you will probably scratch in the corner.

what would you posters do in this situation?

DCP

p.s. cue ball at Point A, of course.

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I think that if the cueball goes off the left side of the 5-ball, then you play the 1-ball with inside, and double the same corner off the 5-ball.

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If you can only hit the 5-ball full, you'll need to run straight into the 5-ball, and hope he kiss back (green line) get you to an open spot for the 2-ball. The 8-ball makes the kiss back results more palatable, even if you're too thin (to the right) on the 5-ball (yellow line).

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Fred
 
Don't listen to them ... lol

You shoot the shot with low right english, miss the 5, and hit the 8, the hit on the 8 will stop the cue going right, and make the cue come off the end rail, and pretty much straight up the table, for good shape on the 2.

The shot on the 2 might be a little long, but a good shot. (and the 5 is now open to shoot where it sits).
 
Snapshot9 said:
You shoot the shot with low right english, miss the 5, and hit the 8, the hit on the 8 will stop the cue going right, and make the cue come off the end rail, and pretty much straight up the table, for good shape on the 2.

The shot on the 2 might be a little long, but a good shot. (and the 5 is now open to shoot where it sits).
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This was my first thought, too. You can have an easy shot on the 2 with easy position on the 3 from almost anywhere. The only way you can really screw up is to leave the 5 and 8 tied up together (making the rest of your out unlikely) or to leave the CB tied up with these balls. So I'd use low (but not extremely low) right, kicking the 8 well out of the way, and the CB should come off the end rail toward the center of the table.

-Andrew
 
Eric. said:
Just smash it as hard as you can and come back here with another post telling every one about it.


Eric
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This makes the most sense. Very funny post.

I would play it to hit the 5 with running english. Not too hard. The running english will get the CB out of there even if you hit the 8 first by accident. Speed is important as with most shots. Lots of room for success.

Whenever there is a risk of running into multiple balls, running english should always be a strong consideration.

It is hard to understand without looking at the situation right in front of you at the table. IE it might be played by missing all balls on the left or right and this changes everything.
 
pete lafond said:
This makes the most sense. Very funny post.

I would play it to hit the 5 with running english. Not too hard. The running english will get the CB out of there even if you hit the 8 first by accident. Speed is important as with most shots. Lots of room for success.

Whenever there is a risk of running into multiple balls, running english should always be a strong consideration.

It is hard to understand without looking at the situation right in front of you at the table. IE it might be played by missing all balls on the left or right and this changes everything.
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Honestly, Pete, I think the best advice would be to just set it up and shoot it a few different ways. I think more can be learned that way than talking it to death. IMO.


Eric
 
Eric. said:
Just smash it as hard as you can and come back here with another post telling every one about it.

Eric
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DCP, I'm not sure that it really matters what the rest of us would do here.

What matters is that you learn from however the shot turned out and try to do better the next time. IMO, many of the posted responses are "idealized responses" that say do this and do that, but don't have much basis in reality.

I think you need to figure out for yourself what works best for you and rely less on what other people say. :)
 
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PoolSharkAllen said:
DCP, I'm not sure that it really matters what the rest of us would do here.

What matters is that you learn from however the shot turned out and try to do better the next time. IMO, many of the posted responses are "idealized responses" that say do this and do that, but don't have much basis in reality.

I think you need to figure out for yourself what works best for you and rely less on what other people say. :)
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That's why he posted the thread to begin with, to get educated opinions of how it should be shot, or verify his own opinion of how it should be shot. And I think, after playing 44 years, I know how to shoot the damn shot. My opinion is not idealized, it is experienced, and many times over.
 
PoolSharkAllen said:
DCP, I'm not sure that it really matters what the rest of us would do here.

What matters is that you learn from however the shot turned out and try to do better the next time. IMO, many of the posted responses are "idealized responses" that say do this and do that, but don't have much basis in reality.

I think you need to figure out for yourself what works best for you and rely less on what other people say. :)
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your probably right shark.
but part of the reason i post shots is to see if anyone else might have some wisdom on what to do, that i missed.

i tried to bank the '1' Ball uptable, and leave the cue ball near the '5' Ball. wanted to create some distance. i managed to deflect off the '4' Ball, and the '1' Ball ended up on the short rail, with the cue ball near the other short rail.

got a fortunate roll on this safety. i was worried about speed, didnt want to hit the '1' so hard that it came back out, leaving a shot.

DCP
 
In my opinion, a bank is never the right shot if you have a pocket for the ball.
I'd better say ALMOST never before someone strains themself thinking of a situation to make me wrong.
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
your probably right shark.
but part of the reason i post shots is to see if anyone else might have some wisdom on what to do, that i missed.

i tried to bank the '1' Ball uptable, and leave the cue ball near the '5' Ball. wanted to create some distance. i managed to deflect off the '4' Ball, and the '1' Ball ended up on the short rail, with the cue ball near the other short rail.

got a fortunate roll on this safety. i was worried about speed, didnt want to hit the '1' so hard that it came back out, leaving a shot.

DCP
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DCP, one of the things we try to do is control the cue ball. Assuming you made the 1, with the 5 and the 8 on the end rail, despite what everyone else is posting, it's not at all certain where the cue ball will end up. If you shoot the 1 in the upper corner, after contacting the 5 or the 8, it's quite likely that the cue ball will end up somewhere near the right short rail. You now have a long distance shot on the 2. Notice the awkward location of the 3 near the side pocket. Assuming that you made the 2, you'll need to place the CB near the top rail or get the cue back back around to the right side of the table for the 3.

Given these considerations, I would certainly go for the 1 and try to play this in one of the following two ways: If the cue ball ends up close to the 2, I would try to make the 2 and bring the cue ball back around to the right side of the table for the 3.

Alternatively, if after making the 1 it turns out that the cue ball is a long distance shot from the 2, I would play a cross-side safety on the 2 so that the cue ball ends up back on the right short rail. Let your opponent have the long distance shot on the 2. If he makes the long distance shot on the 2, he still facing a difficult shot on the 3.
 
Snapshot9 said:
And I think, after playing 44 years, I know how to shoot the damn shot. My opinion is not idealized, it is experienced, and many times over.
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Wow, a little touchy this morning eh ? I'm on the 'hit the 5' side, it's way harder to hit the 8 ball in that layout. :p

Dave
 
Snapshot9 said:
That's why he posted the thread to begin with, to get educated opinions of how it should be shot, or verify his own opinion of how it should be shot. And I think, after playing 44 years, I know how to shoot the damn shot. My opinion is not idealized, it is experienced, and many times over.
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Which just goes to show you, Scott, that even after 44 years, you don't know everything! There are at least 6 ways to shoot any shot, and all expert players know this...they can also execute all 6! Which one they choose, depends on the given situation, and their mood at the time. To state catagorically that YOUR way is the only way to shoot it, is either egotistical, or ignorant. Your choice...

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
 
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