What to do if your opponent played this 9B safety?

I think I would have to try and bank the 8 back in the corner where the cueball is. Any safety is as hard as the shot, so I prefer to go down swinging instead of ducking. ;)

Southpaw
 
T-dog said:
dude, you get 3 tries and have to bet at least a thou. Let me know.
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If I had a spare 1K, you would make it 2K. That is almost one of the first kicks you learn on a basic diamond system. Even if it doesnt fall he doesnt get BIH. Returning a safety from there is just about as risky with the 9 hanging.
 
I would want to bank the eight if I wasn't on the rail, but having to bank the length of the table from the end rail on a tight joint (for my hard earned or won cheese) just doesn't excite me. In this situation I think I would cut the eight ball to the right with about a 1/3 to 1/4 hit and try to leave a cross-side bank (and try like hell to leave the cue ball on the long rail). If the nine-ball were on the other side of the side pocket it would act as a soldier, but its placement in this situation vastly reduces the size of the pocket.
 
you could thin the left side of 8 with left and try to pocket the 9 while sending the 8 up table and maybe you return saftey maybe you make 9, if you miss it either way it doesnt look good.
 
I think this is what I would do: bank the 8 to the lower right pocket at a speed for it to come out to around 3 diamond if miss on the short rail

http://CueTable.com/P/?@3HKCi4IaGX2PTxj3cKCi1cTxi1cbWe2kTxj3kLhT3kOCk3kbAw3kWHw3uCMB@

Just an idea from an intermediate player after staring at the layout for 60 sec, by all means this is not the only answer (there shouldn't be an "only solution" to anything in this world anyway..).

All other thoughts welcome.
 
Southpaw said:
I think I would have to try and bank the 8 back in the corner where the cueball is. Any safety is as hard as the shot, so I prefer to go down swinging instead of ducking. ;)

Southpaw
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That's the shot I would try while also bringing the cue off the 8 and the rail trying to make or at least move the 9.
 
nuthin to it

I'd bank the eight back into the corner pocket where the cue ball is at. Using a little inside english I will also kick the nine into the side pocket, winning the game! Well actually I will try that foolish shot leaving the eight ball a hanger in the corner pocket and hitting just a hair thin on the nine scratching in the corner pocket across from where the eight didn't go since I hit too hard trying to make all this happen shooting off the rail, leaving my opponent ball in hand and two sitting ducks!

Hu
 
If you're really brave, use left english, hit rail first,just skimming the 8 and bring the CB right back down the table.

I think the 9 is in the path of a kick shot to make the 8 and with the 8 that close to the rail it is tough kick to make the ball even if the 9 wasn't there. Not hard to hit the 8 but requires a perfect shot to make.

Otherwise I like VIProfessors shot to bank the 8 back to the long rail opposite the 9 and leave a cross side bank.

If you are a beginner, the best option is to unscrew you cue and take the butt end and beat the living crap out your opponent and tell him " If you ever do that again, you're gonna get some more!"
 
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Hey Meat!

ShootingArts said:
I'd bank the eight back into the corner pocket where the cue ball is at. Using a little inside english I will also kick the nine into the side pocket, winning the game! Well actually I will try that foolish shot leaving the eight ball a hanger in the corner pocket and hitting just a hair thin on the nine scratching in the corner pocket across from where the eight didn't go since I hit too hard trying to make all this happen shooting off the rail, leaving my opponent ball in hand and two sitting ducks!

Hu
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JoeyA
 
Several Options

1) Bank 8 back to corner by cueball.
2) Bank to other corner uptable.
3) Bank 8 3 rails to kiss off 9 in the side.

and my personal favorite (because I practice them):
4) A double kiss safety on the 8.
 
cuetable said:
http://CueTable.com/P/?@3HKCi4IaGX2PTxj3cKCi1cTxi1cbWe2kTxj3kLhT3kOCk3kbAw3kWHw3uCMB@
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I really like his idea ^

Or bank it straight back with inside to kill the cue to the same rail as the 9. Either way I'm going for a bank with a safe/hard shot with distance in mind in case i miss the bank. The 9 doesn't sit pretty if the 8 is above it near a rail.

Banking it and trying to run into the nine or hit the nine has the least amount of good that can come of it. Also from that distance and on the rail I'm NOT trying to thin the 8.

I want some of the action on the previous posters idea to kick the 8 in and get out. I'm betting the house if need be.

PS if you bank it straight back, you might leave the shot I was asking about in a previous post. http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=59529
 
Snapshot9 said:
1) Bank 8 back to corner by cueball.
2) Bank to other corner uptable.
3) Bank 8 3 rails to kiss off 9 in the side.

and my personal favorite (because I practice them):
4) A double kiss safety on the 8.
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The double kiss is a good option too and I also practice it.

I didn't mention it because with the CB on the rail and so far away if you are 1/4 inch off dead center and/or slightly off on speed you are dead meat, but it might be the best choice in a tough situation.
 
The simplest shots I see are these two safeties:
http://CueTable.com/P/?@3HKCi4IaGX2PUGj3cKCi3cYDh2kUGj3kInS3kFtk4kbQX3uBnH@
http://CueTable.com/P/?@3HKCi4IaGX2PUGj3cKCi3cKCj2kUGj3kKCR3uBnH@

IMO, those are the two most productive shots that a C or B player might be able to execute a fairly high % of the time, although the second shot may not be possible on certain equipment. If successful, either shot should give the shooter a decent chance of surviving the inning against most players. IMO, most C & B players who try to win from this position are going to lose at least 90 out of 100, but in my experience almost every C player (and a lot of B players) will try to win from here 100% of the time, which may be part of the reason they are C & B players.

With the cueball frozen to the rail, none of the offensive options look too attractive, but if I chose to play offense I would bank at the 8 using pocket speed. Even if I hang it in the pocket, making the 8 and obtaining shape on the 9 is no gimmie from that spot.

http://CueTable.com/P/?@3HKCi4IaGX2PUGi3cKCi1cYvP2kUGi3kKbP3kPAk3kbJX3kWIS2uBvA@

Aaron
 
T-dog said:
dude, you get 3 tries and have to bet at least a thou. Let me know.
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You'd give an unknown player three swings at a fairly straightforward 1-rail kick shot where the ob is 1/4" off the cushion and only 18" from the pocket (with no mention of the size of the pocket, btw)??? All I can say is good luck with that. :)

Aaron
 
Aaron_S said:
You'd give an unknown player three swings at a fairly straightforward 1-rail kick shot where the ob is 1/4" off the cushion and only 18" from the pocket (with no mention of the size of the pocket, btw)??? All I can say is good luck with that. :)

Aaron
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Agreed. The only two reasons I don't like this shot in a game situation are that 1) I only have one try and 2) It's easy to end up with cue ball back on the lower half of the table where I started from.
 
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