What to do if your opponent played this 9B safety?

tiptoety said:
I'm gonna try this one out at the room tonight. Looks a little hard having the 8 goin 4 rails and the cue nestles behind the 9, not sure though, gonna give it a whirl. If it works, i agree, pretty good safe.

And NO bets on this one, hehe.
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Juice the CB with alot ofhigh-right to scrub speed off the CB....
 
tiptoety said:
I 100% agree with you, very easy to hit the 8, probably make it a few times out of 5 tries. With it being off the rail, you can make it hitting it perfect going into the ball, or kick it in coming off the rail. But given only 3 attempts to make it once and run out? It's worth a friendly wager definately (NOT thousands like the other guy wanted) I just think the shooter is the slight underdog in making it once out of 3. And that's better than a casino is offering in odds. It's not a lock, or the nuts that i'll win, but it's definately a fair bet. I will really try to get down there this weekend, wouldn't mind seeing the tourny either. Personally I'd be hesitant taking the bet with 3 shots, i might ask for 5.

My question before is, if your backing someone and they decide to kick here, are you happy with them? (of course we're happy if he wins from there) but is it the best option.

I live by this rule, if i can't win from here, i don't wanna loose from here.
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OK,
Save your trip unless you just want to watch the tourney. I set it up last night and tried it for 15 minutes or about that. If the cue is frozen to the rail, you almost have to masse to get it to come off the rail into the 8. With some room between the rail and the cue it was much easier because of how it took the bottom english and bent the angle. I never made it (of course I was playing on the GOLDCROWN at Chalkie’s and that has just about the tightest pockets I have ever seen 4" tit - tit) I did hit it quite a few times, but not as many as I had thought. After setting it up and trying for a while; I will conclude that trying to bank the 8 while sending the cue either into or behind the 9 was the better choice for me. The kick was way too hard from there. GOD I HATE BEING WRONG!! But it was a good lesson on my limits of what I can do with a cue. And What I won't try to do if it comes up in a match.
 
PROG8R said:
OK,
Save your trip unless you just want to watch the tourney. I set it up last night and tried it for 15 minutes or about that. If the cue is frozen to the rail, you almost have to masse to get it to come off the rail into the 8. With some room between the rail and the cue it was much easier because of how it took the bottom english and bent the angle. I never made it (of course I was playing on the GOLDCROWN at Chalkie’s and that has just about the tightest pockets I have ever seen 4" tit - tit) I did hit it quite a few times, but not as many as I had thought. After setting it up and trying for a while; I will conclude that trying to bank the 8 while sending the cue either into or behind the 9 was the better choice for me. The kick was way too hard from there. GOD I HATE BEING WRONG!! But it was a good lesson on my limits of what I can do with a cue. And What I won't try to do if it comes up in a match.
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Darn, and i just hit amscot for an advance on my paycheck to bet with... Jus kidding. I was trying it also last night, bout 30 times.. Hit the 8 like 90%. Only made it once coming off the bottom rail, but cue ball scurried up past the nine in the side. Miscued like 5 times because of being so close to the rail. Think I will just come down and check out the tourny.

Hope to see ya there.
 
WEll since everybody else posted thier results, I will too.

I tried it this afternoon in Shanghai for about a half hour. After realizing that I had to jack up and use a soft masse stroke, I was able to hit the ball 30-50% of the time. I actually did make it twice but I also masse'd the CB into the side for a scratch several times. Getting the speed and the spin exactly right were not easy for me.

If I were a betting man, which I am not, I would bet against someone making this shot with three tries and no practice before hand.
 
Craig Fales said:
Juice the CB with alot ofhigh-right to scrub speed off the CB....
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Tried last night, with tons of high right to kill the cue but the eight also straightened out. Had to hit the 8 about 1/4"+ to give it the momentum to move 18+ feet, but the 8 never dug into the first side rail to end up over by the 9. I perfer trying to send the cue around, and leave the 8 behind the 9. But being on the rail makes this safe SUPER hard. Left a shot every time.

I'd say you pretty much lost from here, go for an offensive shot, and hope for a good roll on the 8.
 
tiptoety said:
Tried last night, with tons of high right to kill the cue but the eight also straightened out. Had to hit the 8 about 1/4"+ to give it the momentum to move 18+ feet, but the 8 never dug into the first side rail to end up over by the 9. I perfer trying to send the cue around, and leave the 8 behind the 9. But being on the rail makes this safe SUPER hard. Left a shot every time.

I'd say you pretty much lost from here, go for an offensive shot, and hope for a good roll on the 8.
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That is a very low percentage safety...I would consider banking the 8 to the right or maybe that same safety the other way...
 

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Aaron_S said:
The simplest shots I see are these two safeties:
http://CueTable.com/P/?@3HKCi4IaGX2PUGj3cKCi3cYDh2kUGj3kInS3kFtk4kbQX3uBnH@
http://CueTable.com/P/?@3HKCi4IaGX2PUGj3cKCi3cKCj2kUGj3kKCR3uBnH@

IMO, those are the two most productive shots that a C or B player might be able to execute a fairly high % of the time, although the second shot may not be possible on certain equipment. If successful, either shot should give the shooter a decent chance of surviving the inning against most players. IMO, most C & B players who try to win from this position are going to lose at least 90 out of 100, but in my experience almost every C player (and a lot of B players) will try to win from here 100% of the time, which may be part of the reason they are C & B players.

With the cueball frozen to the rail, none of the offensive options look too attractive, but if I chose to play offense I would bank at the 8 using pocket speed. Even if I hang it in the pocket, making the 8 and obtaining shape on the 9 is no gimmie from that spot.

http://CueTable.com/P/?@3HKCi4IaGX2PUGi3cKCi1cYvP2kUGi3kKbP3kPAk3kbJX3kWIS2uBvA@

Aaron
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If choosing not to play the offensive shot (the bank), the first one described here is the shot I would perform. I would go for the bank if I could smell the cash.
 
cheesemouse said:
<beginner Vs beginner= just shoot and laugh like hell, there are probably 10 innings left in this game anyway.
<beginner Vs intermediate= just shoot and laugh like the pool idiot you are...:)
<beginner Vs advanced= just shoot because you have no chance anyway and you know it....:)

<intermediate Vs beginner= just shoot as you will win no matter what.
<intermediate Vs intermediate=shoot hard enough to give the 8b six chances to go.
<intermediate Vs advanced=see above

<advanced Vs beginner=it doesn't matter what you do you are going to win anyway...:)
<advanced Vs intermediate=take a winning type shot; go down in flames as it where...:)
<advanced Vs advanced=situation couldn't happen because no advanced player would have shot SJM's safety in the first place...:)
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Funny, and very, very true.
 
cuetable said:
I think this is what I would do: bank the 8 to the lower right pocket at a speed for it to come out to around 3 diamond if miss on the short rail

http://CueTable.com/P/?@3HKCi4IaGX2PTxj3cKCi1cTxi1cbWe2kTxj3kLhT3kOCk3kbAw3kWHw3uCMB@

Just an idea from an intermediate player after staring at the layout for 60 sec, by all means this is not the only answer (there shouldn't be an "only solution" to anything in this world anyway..).

All other thoughts welcome.
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I agree completely... if you make the bank you have a good shot at the nine... if you miss... you leave an awkward shot on the eight to get onto the 9... after making the 8, the cue ball will have to get to at least the middle of the table to have a reasonable shot at the 9. There is no sense in making the 8 anywhere unless you are sure of a good shot on the 9
 
Snapshot9 said:
1) Bank 8 back to corner by cueball.
2) Bank to other corner uptable.
3) Bank 8 3 rails to kiss off 9 in the side.

and my personal favorite (because I practice them):
4) A double kiss safety on the 8.
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I, for one, would like to see your "double-kiss safety" as shown in the diagram... i.e. both balls frozen on the rail at opposite ends of the table.

Please explain what kind of results can be achieved (how the shot is hit and where the balls end up).
 
The defense it too difficult to execute here. I'd bank the eight and go for the win.
 
Shortside K said:
I agree completely... if you make the bank you have a good shot at the nine... if you miss... you leave an awkward shot on the eight to get onto the 9... after making the 8, the cue ball will have to get to at least the middle of the table to have a reasonable shot at the 9. There is no sense in making the 8 anywhere unless you are sure of a good shot on the 9
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Thanks and I am glad you like it. However, I tend to over-analyze a bit too much when playing 9 ball and often make things complicated for myself. ;)
 
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That bank shot is not a hard one, not being cocky, just honest.

For sure i would go for the bank.

Edit: i am talking about the picture on this page of the thread, i couldn't load the original posters link, it didn't work.

Is it the same situation?
 
On that diagrame the bank looks almost automatic in the right corner, it's the position on the 9 that would require some thinking before execution.
 
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