What Will Happen To All The Aging Pros
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You have NOOOO Classss sayin this BULL on this site I'd like to slap you!! I'll see you sometime and do just that! My MY MY B. J.the old steer hustler!! dont shoot yourself in the foot, or jusy talk you out of your $$$ The only way you could get any Dummer is to get fatter !You look a little fatter every time I read more!!ccriderone said:Some go out hard, Greenleaf ended up drunk in a gutter and died at 50 from drugs and booze. They tossed him in a paupers grave with no head stone.
Fatty dies broke and ended up going into dives selling play me for $15 and I'll give you a piece of paper that says you did.
Detroit Whitey ended up sitting on corner in dark glasses pretending to be blind begging for handouts.
Most end up sitting behind the counter in some dump pool hall or pawn shop for minimum wage.
Louie put a gun in his mouth and pulled the trigger at 50, booze drove him nuts.
Most pick up some kind of job along the way and still play road man on the side or on the net, even though that life is gone.
Many totally destroy their bodys and Nurological systems from burning the candle at both ends by gambling all night long and taking speed, coke, what ever to stay up and alert. It's like running your car engine all day and night long at 7000 rpm, it wears out faster. You see top players begin to shake when they pull the cue back, thats the first sign of impending doom. They usually have a stroke, Mosconi had a blood vessle blow up in his brain, took him out of the game, from speed.
Some become crippled with the shakes and become indigent wards of the state where the clinics take care of them and put them in some sub standard old peoples home where they live out their final days with the bottom sections of losers in our society.
Most of them, go out hard, go out bad.
God lets the good die young, old pool hustlers he keeps around for a long time.
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OldHasBeen
Tom Ferry
You got that right!
Wayne - On Sunday 6/5/'05 you posted -
I never got to play Archie pool. He came over to Players once to play me for some high stakes and everyone in the pool hall had "pooled" their money so we could bet it up but when Archie got there he said I thought you were a different Wayne and didn't want to play me.
Wane - So you play BETTER than Archie and you want to play an "OldHasBeen" some - EVEN - Boy, That's real nice & big of you.
Sounds to me like your taking one of your usual GAMBLES !
The fact that you were able to Jerk Archie off by having him thinking you were someone your not - Tells me volumes about your tactics and habits.
HOWEVER - I WILL MAKE SURE THAT IF YOU COME TO ST. LOUIS, YOU WILL GET AT LEAST $10K's WORTH OF ACTION.
TY & GL
wayne said:
Wayne - On Sunday 6/5/'05 you posted -
I never got to play Archie pool. He came over to Players once to play me for some high stakes and everyone in the pool hall had "pooled" their money so we could bet it up but when Archie got there he said I thought you were a different Wayne and didn't want to play me.
Wane - So you play BETTER than Archie and you want to play an "OldHasBeen" some - EVEN - Boy, That's real nice & big of you.
Sounds to me like your taking one of your usual GAMBLES !
The fact that you were able to Jerk Archie off by having him thinking you were someone your not - Tells me volumes about your tactics and habits.
HOWEVER - I WILL MAKE SURE THAT IF YOU COME TO ST. LOUIS, YOU WILL GET AT LEAST $10K's WORTH OF ACTION.
TY & GL
Purdman
Banned
LastTwo said:
I just posted part of the article for you to read. In his own words,he was not a tournament or road player like you stated. Most of his income is from other projects, not pool hustling. You are getting way off course here. The post was about old road players ending up broke or dead. NN stands for NUMB NUTS by the way.
Peace, Purdman
ccriderone
Banned
******************************************OldHasBeen said:
No clyde has him all wrapped up, Flynn, Cary Grant, Randolph Scott, were bisexual. They diddled all the beautiful movie stars, male or female, it did not seem to matter to them. When they got older, then went off the wild side and settled down into marriages with women. Actually all 3 of them were my main heros, oooppss, I am going to pay big time for that one.
No, I never liked rock hudson. To become an actor, males have to do the casting couch, just as the females did, which was why so many girles boys got in. How in the hell, did you drag me into this trap. I am outta here now.
ccriderone
Banned
B.J.the bandit said:You have NOOOO Classss sayin this BULL on this site I'd like to slap you!! I'll see you sometime and do just that! My MY MY B. J.the old steer hustler!! Maby shoot you in the foot, or jusy talk you out of your $$$ The only way you could get any Dummer is to get fatter !You look a little fatter every time I read more!!
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Sorry, did I just tell your life story as well. The truth, she do sting like a bitch. You are going to shoot me. That's been tried twice before, both who did, well lets just say, they never played pool again. Be very careful with threats like that, that is a criminal act pal. You may not be the only one who packs heat.
OldHasBeen
Tom Ferry
Wayne - Forgive Me - I had a "Senior" Moment!
Wayne - Being an "OldHasBeen" , I hope there is some room for a mistake or two.
In my last posting to you I was confusing the name of Archie with Artie.
Sorry!
Are you a black gentelman from S. Chigago?
IF SO - COME ON DOWN & LETS PLAY!
TY & GL
wayne said:
Wayne - Being an "OldHasBeen" , I hope there is some room for a mistake or two.
In my last posting to you I was confusing the name of Archie with Artie.
Sorry!
Are you a black gentelman from S. Chigago?
IF SO - COME ON DOWN & LETS PLAY!
TY & GL
Donald A. Purdy said:I just posted part of the article for you to read. In his own words,he was not a tournament or road player like you stated. Most of his income is from other projects, not pool hustling. You are getting way off course here. The post was about old road players ending up broke or dead. NN stands for NUMB NUTS by the way.
Peace, Purdman
LOL I was trying to make a joke you senile idiot.
ccriderone said:
EVER HEAR OF THE TERM SHOOT YOUR-SELF IN THE FOOT ? So FAR YOUR NOT A PLAYER AT ANYTHING EAT SOME MORE NUTS & CLIMB A TREE!!!!! By the way I'm a WOMAN!!!!!
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ccriderone said:
Hi,
BJ is a very nice Lady.
She claims to be a city girl from Huntington,west Virginia but she actually grew up in the hollers of wayne county,WV. Sorry BJ for letting the secret out. LOL. Some times one may have difficulty to understand her language.slowly u will begin to understand....
Vagabond
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OldHasBeen
Tom Ferry
Get some SeeAlice - I took it and..................
Don - Get some SeeAlice - I took it and got one of those 4 hour deals.
Had to go and see Joanne, Gloria, Barbara & Nancy.
TY & GL
Donald A. Purdy said:
Don - Get some SeeAlice - I took it and got one of those 4 hour deals.
Had to go and see Joanne, Gloria, Barbara & Nancy.
TY & GL
It's 'YOU ',WE MET IN Shreveport with Eddie! Di & I though you were vagabond,Lol ,lol, Hello There! He just made me mad. You have to fit the shoes to talk the talk in my book !!! He is like a snake,tryin to be a fox. If you get this way e-mail me we'll have a drink.vagabond said:
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sonia
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Pool's Problem
When you have a 5 by nine area to watch pool, as opposed to soccer, football, baseball, tennis and other arenas that seat many thousand of fans, buying expensive tickets, it is no stretch to see that pool has no where to go than where they are right now. Hell, in a pool room tournament you can only watch one table, because two tables away is beyond your vision to see what is going on. 5 X by 9 is all we will ever have.
sonia
ScottR said:Dammit, guys. I'm gettin' depressed thinking about this. Not for myself, but for the subjects of this thread - the true experts at our chosen passion, pool. I'm racking my brain, trying to come up with any other endeavor, especially sports, where the most accomplished practitioners are so universally unrecognized, not to mention unrewarded. I'm shooting air barrels. Maybe curling, speed skating, horseshoes?!?!?
I've read all the threads on what it will take to get money, success and recognition into pool and didn't find anything that struck me as a workable plan. Other threads go on about the image - gambling versus "pure" competition - again with no conclusions on the right mix.
Why aren't we where we know we should and want to be? I think it is because the average Joe, doesn't, won't or can't appreciate the difficulty of what playing at that level means. Again, why not?
Does pool look simple to the Avg. Joe? Hell, nothing is simpler "looking" than bowling, where the pins are virtually always in the same position. Please no flames from bowling fans. I know how hard bowling is. I said simple "looking". Yet, bowling blows us away in terms of money, TV coverage and the people making a decent living.
Do we need the pool equivalent of golf's Arnold Palmer, who was accepted, cheered and followed by golf afficionados and "everyman" non-golf Joe, too? Without Arnold (among others, both players and smart business people), I don't think the PGA tour would be where it is today. We've got the flamboyant personalities; maybe it's just marketing or that one as-yet-unidentified person that is needed to get us on the map.
Do we need a deep-pocketed benefactor like Mark Griffin or George Soros (sorry to put you in that company, Mark!!) to come along and say. I'll sponsor xx tournaments per year for 5 years, guaranteed $xxx,xxx per event and the game is xxxx. It could happen . . . . The venture capital firm that owns the company I work for offered $4 BILLION to buy the NHL!! Post the money up front, run it like a business investment. Could we rise to the occasion and give them a long-lasting product?
According to the BCA, VNEA, APA, and others, the numbers of people who play pool competitively in leagues, local tournaments and socially appear to compare favorably with amateur tennis, bowling, softball and others. The populations from these other sports support thriving professional level tours and leagues. Why can't we?
Is it the demographics? Are the golf and tennis amateurs so much more affluent as a group than people playing pool that the sponsors/advertisers don't see any payback marketing to us? I would guess that Avg. Joe pool league player spends more on beer in a year than Avg. Joe tennis player spends on new equipment. I'm talking average here; not the tennis player who has to have the newest racquet every 3 months and new strings every 2 weeks.
Why are golf courses clogged every weekend with people willing to pay $85 - $125 (in my neck of the woods) to hack and slash around for 5 hours? I think it may be that every once in a while, Avg. Joe can sink a 50 foot putt, or stick a 150 yard approach shot over water, or boom a long drive, or get a hole-in-one, and "know" how hard that is and appreciate that Tiger, Ernie, Phil do it more often than not every week. Avg. Joe watches the tournaments on TV or in person, buys the clubs, balls and shoes that <insert name of favorite player here> uses, and is generally who the advertisers/sponsors want to get in front of. As a result, 1st place at an average PGA tournament is worth about $750,000 (roughly). In 2004, 176 golfers made over $250,000, 141 made over $500,000, and 77 made over $1m on their tour.
Ok, that last paragraph was a total ramble. But, that comparison is what runs through my head for where our pool world needs to be. Both are sports played by millions of people, are hard as hell to master, can be played by both men and women at a very high level, involve hand/eye coordination, provide tremendously variable layouts/shots, and are just damn fun to play well!
We've got to figure it out people!
Just some random thoughts from Hotlanta . . . . . .
Scott
When you have a 5 by nine area to watch pool, as opposed to soccer, football, baseball, tennis and other arenas that seat many thousand of fans, buying expensive tickets, it is no stretch to see that pool has no where to go than where they are right now. Hell, in a pool room tournament you can only watch one table, because two tables away is beyond your vision to see what is going on. 5 X by 9 is all we will ever have.
sonia
OldHasBeen
Tom Ferry
Just a quick thought.......
I think someone should hold an 8-Ball (played with red, blue & Yellow 8 ball), Scotch Doubles, Skin's Game for large $.
This should include the top 4 touring MEN & WOMEN PROS matched up as partners.
WHY? - Because 8 Ball is THE ONLY game the general public can relate to.
The general public loves to watch women play and the men add an element of skill and woofing that will enhance the entire show. I think the Skin's game format is the most entertaining format for novice & pro players to watch. If this works, it could bring in some celebrities as well.
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TY & GL
sonia said:
I think someone should hold an 8-Ball (played with red, blue & Yellow 8 ball), Scotch Doubles, Skin's Game for large $.
This should include the top 4 touring MEN & WOMEN PROS matched up as partners.
WHY? - Because 8 Ball is THE ONLY game the general public can relate to.
The general public loves to watch women play and the men add an element of skill and woofing that will enhance the entire show. I think the Skin's game format is the most entertaining format for novice & pro players to watch. If this works, it could bring in some celebrities as well.
??????????
TY & GL
OldHasBeen said:
What about Buddy Hall? Didn't he stay some place down south and wait for the action to come to him for several years? I know he travelled before and has since but that sounds like one exception to your rule. Of course I'm sure he had a backer that lured everyone there for the cash.
OldHasBeen
Tom Ferry
Sure, IF..................
Rick - Sure, IF anyone could play as well as Buddy. IMO Buddy played "The Best 9-Ball in the history of pool", in Shreveport, LA for about 4 years. He had no equal and that was also the opinions of Jersey Red & Eddie Taylor.
Yes, Buddy had an excellent backer in Red Box (The Owner), BUT THAT WAS A DOUBLE EDGED SWORD. They offered (in billiard magazines) free plane fare to ANYONE who would play a $5 OR $10K set. No takers that I knew of.
Rick - As someone said - There is exceptions to every rule, and Buddy was THE EXCEPTION.
TY & GL
Rickw said:
Rick - Sure, IF anyone could play as well as Buddy. IMO Buddy played "The Best 9-Ball in the history of pool", in Shreveport, LA for about 4 years. He had no equal and that was also the opinions of Jersey Red & Eddie Taylor.
Yes, Buddy had an excellent backer in Red Box (The Owner), BUT THAT WAS A DOUBLE EDGED SWORD. They offered (in billiard magazines) free plane fare to ANYONE who would play a $5 OR $10K set. No takers that I knew of.
Rick - As someone said - There is exceptions to every rule, and Buddy was THE EXCEPTION.
TY & GL
I'd just like to say, regarding the subject of this thread, there are many people out there living life without a safety net for their later years. This is not a condition reserved just for pool players entering the "Golden Age". People need to start planning for retirement when they are in there 20's. I have a brother that is 2 years older than me and I don't think he's ever going to be able to afford retirement. I just retired and still haven't touched my 457 plan money and don't plan to until I'm in my 70's. I have excellent health insurance and the reason for that is because I did plan for my retirement in my 20's. Instead of playing pool on the road, I chose my priorities:
1. Marrying my sweatheart and still married for 30 years.
2. Raising two wonderful children - one just graduated from college and the other is still going.
3. Securing a good job that provides excellent benefits and sticking with that job for 28 years.
Now, I'm playing pool full time and loving it. I think I can still cut the mustard, I'm going to give it a try anyway. The nice thing about it is, now I don't have anything to lose by shooting pool full time. For years I've been playing recreational pool, a couple of hours here and there, not enough to get consistent. I can wow some of the locals but I've never been able to consistently play at the level that I thought I could. Now I get the chance to see just what level I can get to. It took me 28 years to get here but I think it has been well worth it! I'll be coming to a pool hall near you one day, watch for me!
1. Marrying my sweatheart and still married for 30 years.
2. Raising two wonderful children - one just graduated from college and the other is still going.
3. Securing a good job that provides excellent benefits and sticking with that job for 28 years.
Now, I'm playing pool full time and loving it. I think I can still cut the mustard, I'm going to give it a try anyway. The nice thing about it is, now I don't have anything to lose by shooting pool full time. For years I've been playing recreational pool, a couple of hours here and there, not enough to get consistent. I can wow some of the locals but I've never been able to consistently play at the level that I thought I could. Now I get the chance to see just what level I can get to. It took me 28 years to get here but I think it has been well worth it! I'll be coming to a pool hall near you one day, watch for me!