What would you do with this one? Here's what I tried.

[Black Cat 5791]

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This is what I attempted.

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This is what happend and my opponent ranout for the win. I didn't feel that I could play safe without possibley playing their ball, so I went for it. I know this is a makable one pocket shot how should I have done it.

Black Cat

 

[wayne]

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This is what I attempted.

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This is what happend and my opponent ranout for the win. I didn't feel that I could play safe without possibley playing their ball, so I went for it. I know this is a makable one pocket shot how should I have done it.

Black Cat

It is not a makeable one-pocket shot with it frozen to the rail because it is a double kiss. (The only way it is usually made in one pocket is to kick bank it off the short rail.)

I don't know much about 8-ball but if it is a legal shot I would fire the 8 ball hard into your opponents ball at an angle to send the 8 ball 4 rails to the top cushion and stop the cueball where the 8 was. This is a variation of a common snooker safety.

Wayne

 

[Gregg]

It is not a makeable one-pocket shot with it frozen to the rail because it is a double kiss. (The only way it is usually made in one pocket is to kick bank it off the short rail.)

I don't know much about 8-ball but if it is a legal shot I would fire the 8 ball hard into your opponents ball at an angle to send the 8 ball 4 rails to the top cushion and stop the cueball where the 8 was. This is a variation of a common snooker safety.

Wayne

Interesting. Could you draw it up on the wei?

 

[RiverCity]

The bank IS makable while frozen to the rail provided there isnt a kiss. If the 8 is frozen to the rail, and there was a kiss, I would slow roll into the 8 first then into the rail. Leave the 8 between the cueball and the 15, opponent will have to try and kick at the 15 or tie it up worse and give you ball in hand. So if they kick, they are an underdog to make theirs and get position on the 8. There is a chance of them scratching also. If there is no kiss, fire in the bank.
Chuck

 

[Black Cat 5791]

Interesting. Could you draw it up on the wei?

That would be a thought, it's like playing a trap safety. Executing a stop shot on the 8 would leave the cue ball there, which I could do 85% of the time no problem, trouble for me is I don't know if I could reliably move the 8 with confidence. It's worth a try I'll practice it tonight.

Anyother suggestions

Black Cat

 

[pete-biker]

At least for me there is no way to make that 8. So i'd go for a safety; very slight and gentle touch on 8 to make it go to end rail/close end rail and leaving cue ball behind it.

 

[wayne]

The bank IS makable while frozen to the rail provided there isnt a kiss. If the 8 is frozen to the rail, and there was a kiss, I would slow roll into the 8 first then into the rail. Leave the 8 between the cueball and the 15, opponent will have to try and kick at the 15 or tie it up worse and give you ball in hand. So if they kick, they are an underdog to make theirs and get position on the 8. There is a chance of them scratching also. If there is no kiss, fire in the bank.
Chuck

Couple of problems with your solutions. 1. There is a kiss according to what he diagrammed. 2. The slow roll would have to double kiss off the 8 get to the bottom rail and somehow from the double kiss get the 8 ball completely blocking the hole so there is no possibility of a kick. I would think any decent player kicking a ball that is in the jaws would be a favorite to get out if they can kick it.

Wayne

 

[Russ Chewning]

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I would use a very short bridge, and shoot a draw drag stroke aiming at a slight double kiss angle.

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If yer lucky, he can't kick longways at the ball without fouling on the eight. The double kiss on the eight will stop the eight's progress, and softly tick the cue ball to the short rail or close to it.

Russ C.

 

[Cornerman]

Carom, don't bank

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Believe it or not, I've won a couple of tournaments with this shot as the last shot of the night.

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Shoot the 8-ball into the cushion and carom (not bank) the 8-ball off the 15-ball into the cross corner. The angle of approach makes the pocket very big. On normal pockets, this is as high percentage shot as you'll ever get in this position. On a bar table, it's about 85% to make.

Fred

 

[Russ Chewning]

Believe it or not, I've won a couple of tournaments with this shot as the last shot of the night.

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Shoot the 8-ball into the cushion and carom (not bank) the 8-ball off the 15-ball into the cross corner. The angle of approach makes the pocket very big. On normal pockets, this is as high percentage shot as you'll ever get in this position. On a bar table, it's about 85% to make.

Fred

Yup, I'd say that's a fair assessment... That's a good-lookin' shot, sir!

Russ C.

 

[Eric.]

Believe it or not, I've won a couple of tournaments with this shot as the last shot of the night.

http://CueTable.com/P/?@2Hbiy2OcIX2PLta2cbiy2cbjI1cchu2jcIX2jcpx2kLta2kaci@

Shoot the 8-ball into the cushion and carom (not bank) the 8-ball off the 15-ball into the cross corner. The angle of approach makes the pocket very big. On normal pockets, this is as high percentage shot as you'll ever get in this position. On a bar table, it's about 85% to make.

Fred

If you're playing 8 ball with a stalemate rule (3 consecutive safes), I would try to get a stalemate by soft rolling behind the 8 ball.

If you just wanna try the 8 somewhere, I like Cornerman's suggestion.


Eric

 

[RiverCity]

Couple of problems with your solutions. 1. There is a kiss according to what he diagrammed. 2. The slow roll would have to double kiss off the 8 get to the bottom rail and somehow from the double kiss get the 8 ball completely blocking the hole so there is no possibility of a kick. I would think any decent player kicking a ball that is in the jaws would be a favorite to get out if they can kick it.

Wayne

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If you slow roll into the balls, there is no reason to take them to the end rails, you can leave them in this manner. I would go to betting your opponent will sell out about 50% of the time or better.
Chuck

 

[Aaron_S]

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If you slow roll into the balls, there is no reason to take them to the end rails, you can leave them in this manner. I would go to betting your opponent will sell out about 50% of the time or better.
Chuck

I think the assumption is that the 8-ball is *called* frozen, in which case you would need to get another rail somewhere, although that may depend on which particular set of rules are in use. I don't play enough 8-ball to keep up with all of the different sets of rules; what are there, like 42 of them now?

 

[Andrew Manning]

I think the assumption is that the 8-ball is *called* frozen, in which case you would need to get another rail somewhere, although that may depend on which particular set of rules are in use. I don't play enough 8-ball to keep up with all of the different sets of rules; what are there, like 42 of them now?

The "other rail" can be gotten if you make sure the CB hits the 8 and then touches the adjacent rail. The rule is, if the 8 is frozen, either the 8 has to hit a different rail, or the CB has to hit any rail after contact.

-Andrew

 

[Aaron_S]

The "other rail" can be gotten if you make sure the CB hits the 8 and then touches the adjacent rail. The rule is, if the 8 is frozen, either the 8 has to hit a different rail, or the CB has to hit any rail after contact.

-Andrew

True, I was thinking of a fuller hit, but as long as whitey gets a rail after contact, it's ok. What a touchy shot, though, cutting the 8 toward the 15 without making it. Scary.

 

[RiverCity]

Learning to pace the cueball for that soft of a hit is of great value, will help your safety game tremendously. The trend nowadays for safes is to put the balls at opposite ends of the table hopefully with something inbetween them. You can usually get a great safe with a simple nudge and duck if you know what to look for in a lie of balls. Ive seen guys whos only safety game was to sew the cueball up so tight there was nothing that could be done but taking a foul to try and make the table worse.
Chuck

 

[GADawg]

It is not a makeable one-pocket shot with it frozen to the rail because it is a double kiss. (The only way it is usually made in one pocket is to kick bank it off the short rail.)

I don't know much about 8-ball but if it is a legal shot I would fire the 8 ball hard into your opponents ball at an angle to send the 8 ball 4 rails to the top cushion and stop the cueball where the 8 was. This is a variation of a common snooker safety.

Wayne

What a great idea! I will be trying this on the practice table tonight.

I had a similar situation recently in which the balls were reversed that I will post in a different thread.

 

[mikepage]

[...] On normal pockets, this is as high percentage shot as you'll ever get in this position. On a bar table, it's about 85% to make.

Well I'm not in the 85% category, but I like the shot.

How I play this would depend on my opponent. Against a strong or reasonably strong opponent, I'd go for Fred's shot.

Against a weak opponent, I'd make the 15 rolling the cueball slowly with right spin. I would hope to leave the 8 about where it is and get the cueball on the short rail as close to the 8 as possible. This leaves my opponent the bank.

The assessment then is the question of which is more likely, that I make Fred's shot or that my opponent misses the bank.

mike page
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[mikepage]

It is not a makeable one-pocket shot with it frozen to the rail because it is a double kiss. [...]

One pocket players know all about which banks like this are a double kiss and which are not--and then which are a double kiss you could do something about and which are a double kiss you can't.

For me --not a one pocket player-- I use the rule that if I'm aiming the cueball such that with no balls on the table it would go into the corner pocket. then the bank I'm trying is a double kiss. If you look at the original shot in this thread, that rule says it's a double kiss.

Any one pocket players want to comment on this rule as a beginning guide for the double-hit issue? or on what its limitations are?

mike page
fargo

 

[Tennesseejoe]

I do not think the cue ball and the table are in direct proportion. By putting the 15 ball very close to the pocket as shown in the original wei table and putting the 8 ball almost half way between the pocket and the 1st diamond: this is how it would be on a proportioned table.

I would shoot almost directly straight at the 8 ball, very hard with extreme high right English. The 8 ball will bank three rails in the upper left pocket. The cue ball will will knock the 15 in and stay on that end of the table. This shot can be made about 50% of the time easily--- if you practice it a couple times. If you miss--- it should leave a difficult shot.

I used a nine foot table.

Try it and let me know.