What would you tell you local Pool Room/Pool Bar Owner to do

[smoooothstroke]

booze

I would tell them to sell lots of alcohol so we can get new Diamond tables with Diamond lights.

...Oh yeah and get rid of those darn windows

 

[Milo]

I like the windows!!!!

I would tell them to sell lots of alcohol so we can get new Diamond tables with Diamond lights.

...Oh yeah and get rid of those darn windows

The windows make the place very cheery. Dont you think??? Not your typical boring pool room. IMO
I think you can still play good pool with focus, and not be in a dark silent room. I think it also is good focus practice when you do have alot going on around you. Teaches you to concentrate under extreme situations.

Just my thoughts.

 

[Str8PoolPlayer]

I would tell him "If you really believe you need the input of your customers to properly run your business, then you should not be in business in the first place."

A successful business owner has their finger-on-the-pulse of the business they are in and know what it takes to keep their clientele happy while maintaining fiscal responsibility ...

Case in point : Most Bar owners are "their own best customer" which leads to a breakdown in employee and, often times, customer morale and patronage ...

 

[sde]

dram shop liability laws

Read that article 4 times to be sure, especially the ending of course since that pertained to the civil suit. It seems that he left Wild Wings, the place that closed because of the suit, and resumed drinking at the Surf Shack until he was cut off.

The Surf Shack served him AFTER he left Wild Wings so I don't see how they are liable but that's above my understanding I guess. He has also been arrested for having an open container in a vehicle so he we know it's possible he drank more AFTER he left Wild Wings.

Wild Wings closing might be because of this suit, you know how the press blows things out of proportion. So I am wondering, from the law gurus on the forum, can Wild Wings be held accountable for his accident and following death even with all of these contributing factors?

Edit: His last drink at Wild Wings was about 2 hours before the crash and he continued drinking at another place so I am really thinking they can't be held liable "fully", but maybe partially. Right, or am I thinking wrong?

This would have to be scary for a bar owner or anyone that sell alcohol.

http://www.cfif.org/htdocs/freedomline/current/guest_commentary/dram_shop_liability.htm
Then there are the extremes. Under Illinois? dram shop law, plaintiffs can recover after demonstrating: 1) proof of sale of alcohol to the patron; (2) injuries sustained by the patron; (3) proximate cause between the alcohol sale and intoxication; and (4) that intoxication was at least one cause of the third party damages. Notably absent from that list is that the defendant knew or should have known the patron was intoxicated, meaning that every person who sold the patron alcohol, whether or not he was intoxicated at the time, can face some degree of liability. Thus a savvy plaintiffs? attorney sues not only the local bar where the third party drank himself silly, but also the popular chain restaurant where he had a few drinks with dinner. Liability can then extend to casinos and convenience stores; one Illinois court allowed a lawsuit against a company that dropped off self-serve barrels of beer at a union picnic.

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

There are several Bars with (2) or more Bar Boxes in the Phoenix Metro Area that offer FREE Pool, Opening until 6 or 7 pm. Metro Sports Bar, also in Phoenix Metro Area has 10 Gold Crowns that are open to FREE PLAY 7 days a week opening until 6:30 ish at night.

 

[TXsouthpaw]

Refelt the tables!

Fix the Air condition its south texas for christ sakes!

Fix the tv's

Fix the mens room door and stock up the restroom.

The place is going down hill

 

[chefjeff]

Come up with ways to attract women....the rest follows that.

imho,

Jeff Livingston

 

[D-Sub]

I see a lot wrong where I play, and have heard the owner come up with some pretty snide comments about people. "Oh he's not drinking anyway so it doesn't matter..." that sort of thing.

It's supposed to be a pool room...the owner prides himself on being a pool connoisseur but it's a sports bar and the heirarchy is obvious.

 

[richard cranium]

Fire the nimrod working there and hire some hot strippers. pools fun

 

[Frankenstroke]

I Love This Bar!

pool...25 cents a game. All day, all night, 7 days a week.
beer...$2.25 bottle, $1.50 drafts
felt...changed every fall with the Best cloths
leagues...1 free round of drinks for each team
sponsorship...pays team fee for state tournament

Sorry, no strippers, else I'd never go home.

 

[okinawa77]

What would you tell you local Pool Room/Pool Bar Owner to do, to improve their business, and keep customers coming back.

I'd have league play thoughout the weekdays, and leave the weekends open to host pro tour/amateur/open tournaments and/or pool exhibitions/promotions/lessons. And/or private events/parties on the weekends.

On the slowest night of the week, I'd offer free table time with purchase of food and/or beverage. I think the most money is made from drinks. So, the key is to get the max number of customers in the place.

I might even get a section for Darts and/or Foosball and get leagues going with that, too.

I'd have the place opened up during the mornings as a restaurant/bar and/or catering service. Whether I own/operate it myself or lease/rent it to a second party, it is still good use of time/space. I would probably operate the place as a pool n darts n foosball place from 5PM till 1AM during weekdays, 9AM till 1 AM on Weekends, and rent/lease out the place to a second party during the other hours within each 24 hour time period. Or cut a deal to have the second party (probably restaurant or catering) to pay for the utility bill. Seeing how they would be primarily using the electricity, water, AC/Heat, etc.

Maybe even have a section for a live band to draw more customers in.

If dealing with a smoking ban, I might make a smoking area with strong exhaust. Or create a mid-level along the walls with nearby exhaust which would be a great viewing area for spectating and/or televising events.

I'd probably try to get 1 head bar tender that is inventive with cocktails, and does the whole flair thing of spinning/juggling bottles and stuff. I've met a couple bar tenders that created some great tasting drinks, and that would seperate your bar from the common, run of the mill, bar.

Probably have a section as a Pro Shop or exhibition area for pool, darts, foosball products/services.

Maybe even have a "champagne" room, not really for champagne. A private and secure room with a pool table for big money gambling/betting.
Of course, I might have some cameras recording the action, and sell the videos (with names/faces hidden at the individuals' discretion).

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

Lots of great comments.

 

[Balabushka]

I'd gladly pay a fee for the year, or even monthly to use EMPTY tables. It doesn't have to be on weekends even. No Fri Sat, that's cool. But for cripes sake - 11.00 an hour for PRACTICE? It really sucks.

I asked about a 'club" price, I got the amused contemptous "...Hooo no no no". Still all day long and day and night Sun thru Wed, at least 10 tables open not making money. Ten tables of no drink orders. Ten tables looking like something is wrong with the business. Ten tables that should go be filled up, making it appear it's a booming pool hall with action that everyone wants.

I saw today in the local paper, this place advertising with a coupon for 1 hour of free pool. (!) I think the mangament has it's head in the corner pocket.

 

[Str8PoolPlayer]

My two local Pool Halls (Sacramento) offer a monthly membership to their regular customers ... It is very cost effective, especially with fuel prices out of sight and I have to drive 35 miles to play pool.

 

[TSW]

I'd gladly pay a fee for the year, or even monthly to use EMPTY tables. It doesn't have to be on weekends even. No Fri Sat, that's cool. But for cripes sake - 11.00 an hour for PRACTICE? It really sucks.

I asked about a 'club" price, I got the amused contemptous "...Hooo no no no". Still all day long and day and night Sun thru Wed, at least 10 tables open not making money. Ten tables of no drink orders. Ten tables looking like something is wrong with the business. Ten tables that should go be filled up, making it appear it's a booming pool hall with action that everyone wants.

I saw today in the local paper, this place advertising with a coupon for 1 hour of free pool. (!) I think the mangament has it's head in the corner pocket.

I worked in the campus pool room in college. One of the benefits was free table time whenever, so long as no paying customers were waiting. As soon as someone came in and would pay, the employees playing for free were booted off. Instantly, no arguments, no fuss. The only cost to the room was the wear and tear on the equipment, and it kept the room looking lively even during off-hours. If there is some way to replicate that with a monthly membership, great. The risk is that paying monthly members won't be so happy about leaving to make way for paying hourly players.

 

[Balabushka]

The risk is that paying monthly members won't be so happy about leaving to make way for paying hourly players.

What I was talking about is daytime and weekday evenings when it is a known fact that this hall is dead. I guess it would be a quality problem for that to change, the place fill up with hourlies, and the owner would have to cut out the memberships deal.

 

[stick8]

what???

I worked in the campus pool room in college. One of the benefits was free table time whenever, so long as no paying customers were waiting. As soon as someone came in and would pay, the employees playing for free were booted off. Instantly, no arguments, no fuss. The only cost to the room was the wear and tear on the equipment, and it kept the room looking lively even during off-hours. If there is some way to replicate that with a monthly membership, great. The risk is that paying monthly members won't be so happy about leaving to make way for paying hourly players.

Huh, you mean if i walk in your room i can play for FREE, ??how do you know if i have money or not?? i can understand if you have food, free pool with lunch. but free until someone comes in to play??? DUMB

 

[TSW]

Huh, you mean if i walk in your room i can play for FREE, ??how do you know if i have money or not?? i can understand if you have food, free pool with lunch. but free until someone comes in to play??? DUMB

I mean "free with membership." E.g., pay a flat monthly fee and play "for free" whenever there are available tables. Not free for anyone off the street.

 

[TSW]

What I was talking about is daytime and weekday evenings when it is a known fact that this hall is dead. I guess it would be a quality problem for that to change, the place fill up with hourlies, and the owner would have to cut out the memberships deal.

I guess it depends on the traffic patterns of the room. If you typically have 20 open tables weekday daytime and sell 30 memberships, you have the potential for overcrowding, and then you'll need some way to create a priority list. And then what happens if someone comes in and wants to pay by the hour, but all the tables are filled with membership players?

It quickly becomes a headache when these privileges are given to a large number of people.