twiztid_cue said:
what is it that you mean by normal stroke? I don't even know if there's such a thing. Basically what i mean by pendulum stroke is just trying ti imitate the pendulum movement with the forearm...i guesse much like ralf souqet's. I don't know if there's anyone who has the same stroke...everyone has their own 'charactaristic'
I don't know if it's fair to say that others are wrong since everyone has their own technique. I'm sure you're good at what you do but then just cause you do it differently doesn't make everyone wrong. I'm not a pro like you but heck what ever works for me.fast larry said:
fast larry
Banned
Slasher said:
If your a female, young and good looking, I may accept the offer.
bwahahaha nice one..you actually made me laughfast larry said:
Cardinal_Syn said:
A pendulum stroke differs from a flat stroke. The flat stroke is similar to Simple Harmonic Motion (SHM) on a flat plane.
A pendulum stroke has a verticle component of movement as it swings about a axis point. (The elbow). Therefore, one way to have a pendulum stroke is the keep the elbow high during the follow through.
The pendulum is usually at its low point 2-4 inches before the cue hits the ball. As the cue moves forward the tip will dive lower as the back hand rises with the pendulum. This can cause the cue ball to be struck lower than the stiker had imagined he was aiming.
So just as many who cant screw think they are hitting low, but actually drop their elbow and hit centre ball. Some guys will aim just below centre and actually hit 1/2 a tip or more lower without knowing.
That seems a plausible explanation.
Otherwise, you guys are breaking the laws of physics!
Physics tells us that more of the cue momentum is transfered into angular momentum (spin) the further from the centre line that the cue strikes.
Test: Put something like a 12 inch ruler on a table. Flick it at the extreme edge. It will rotate with little forward motion. Flick it just off centre and it will shoot forward with a little spin.
I don't mean this as some proof that I am right, but I am not just a theory guy. I can get more action on the cue ball than most pros I have played. I doubt I can get as much as Fast Larry or Mike, as it's not my job to work on developing power draw shots.
Anyway...I'll keep an open mind....seeing is believing...I just aint seen nothing yet, that I coundn't explain. I look forward to the Fast Larry DVD as he takes things to the limits.
elanobeone said:
The top pool players are a lot like magicians and people who will not attend nudist camps.
They all take an oath to never reveal their secrets.
Jake
But then you can try STROKING through the cue ball, with a softer STROKE, with follow through, and flicking the wrist at impact.
Most people usually use more force on the draw then is needed, and POKE the ball, and in so doing just do not hit the cue ball where they aim.
And by flicking the wrist at impact it keeps you from pulling the cue back at impact.
And of course it takes about a thousand hours of practice and even then you still won't be able to get it to stop where you want it to every time.
If possible always play position for a follow shot rather than a draw shot. Even the 6 inch draw is a 100 times harder than the 6 inch follow.
But it sure is a nice feeling when the balls are four feet apart and you can draw the CB back to the end of the table for the game winning shot. I just wouldn't want to depend on that shot to win for me consistently.
As has been said, the accepted technique for achieving maximum draw on the cue ball is to keep the cue as level as possible, (the cue cannot be level as it's resting on your hand which elevates it) hit very low on the cue ball and use as much follow through as you can. Practice this by looking at the cue ball as you stroke it. You may be sometimes raising the cue when you stroke and looking at the tip while it contacts the cb will help you keep it low.
All that being said you may still find that the amount of draw you can achieve is very inconsistent and the reason for this may be in the playing conditions and have nothing to do with your stroke.
Nappy table cloth, dirty cloth and/or humid conditions will make it more difficult to draw the ball. If you are playing on coin operated tables the cue ball may be very heavy and maybe very dirty or actually sticky from spilled beer and dirty hands, making it almost impossible to draw the ball. I've seen excellent players have difficulty getting the cb to draw on tables with a heavy and dirty cue ball with slow cloth and high humidity.
All that being said you may still find that the amount of draw you can achieve is very inconsistent and the reason for this may be in the playing conditions and have nothing to do with your stroke.
Nappy table cloth, dirty cloth and/or humid conditions will make it more difficult to draw the ball. If you are playing on coin operated tables the cue ball may be very heavy and maybe very dirty or actually sticky from spilled beer and dirty hands, making it almost impossible to draw the ball. I've seen excellent players have difficulty getting the cb to draw on tables with a heavy and dirty cue ball with slow cloth and high humidity.
I'd be very skeptical of anyone trying to teach you how to move the cue by using your back-hand, in order to impart spin on the cueball. Granted, it is possible...but I just don't think it is the most straight-forward, repeatable and reliable way to stroke a shot. Drawing two table lengths doesn't impress any serious player. Like 99% of trick shots, its useless. Drawing exactly the distance you want, between 0 and 6 feet...now that is useful.
cheers,
jer9ball
cheers,
jer9ball
fast larry said:
Larry,
When are you actually going to realize that each person has a different approach to anything in life weather it be work, school, pool, any sport, realationship or anything else. so what is with your personal vendeta towards everyone in the pool world with your ,watch what i can do better and differently then everyone else DVD? Larry honestly I didn't know who the hell you even were when i got on this board and within the first week look out you get your panties in a bunch because i liked what you said in a post and used it in my signature and you thought i was trying to steal your identy? How in the world will people get Fast Larry (you the most out spoken i don't give a damn personality on this board) and twiztid_cue (someone who is young enought to be your son if not grandson) confused. Get off your damn ego trip already. When I spoke to you on the phone cause you were so mad and furious that i used it you said you were coming to the area and you would let me know cause you were sorry for the trouble and promised a lesson and you also promised you would have someone at your website send me a dvd and a poster. well guess what Larry none of that has ever happened. I read this board every day and watch you degrade people with your "I invented that shot" or "take the bozo quiz" i understand you went to school to be an enginere (as you can see i cant spell) but for whatever reason you degrade people like we are a lesser class of humans or hell even like neanderthals. You think your little wonder dog Rover is the greatest thing in the world, Larry that is great any person can teach a monkey to do the same shots as your dog and guess what its going to be with a stick and no a huge nose. Get off the god like pedastal you think you are on because it is appualing. If you can't keep your word don't say anything at all, I know you remember the conversation we had. Talking about being a respectable man and people who are trying to ruin your name. Hell we talked for a good 30 mins that day didn't we larry. After seeing you post reply after reply demeaning people it is pathetic. Maybe it is you who needs to grow up and stop being the "BOZO" who thinks he is just the all mightiest pool player in the world and actually realize that there are people on this board and in the world who at one point probably respected you and now wish you would just drop off the face of the earth because your thoughts and views are not appreiciated.
PS sorry for the long post but it was a long time comming.
Hey Twiztid, didn't you know that Fast Larry was the second coming? You must have missed that post.
Buddha Jones said:
I missed that post no wonder that explains alot. This BOZO he speaks of must be the almighty then also. We shall all bow down to the almighty BOZO which is known as Fast Larry.
twiztid_cue said:I missed that post no wonder that explains alot. This BOZO he speaks of must be the almighty then also. We shall all bow down to the almighty BOZO which is known as Fast Larry.
Maybe you can benefit from what I do. I NEVER EVER read any of FL's posts. Not EVER. Whatever information he has that he is correct about can be gotten elsewhere without all the crap that one has to put up with in order to glean a gem from his rantings.
fast larry said:
First off Larry, you need to remember that it's not "your way or the wrong way", by saying people are dead ass wrong is absurd. I too can draw the ball with center ball or just a hair (0.025-0.050") below center, but i get better control and consistency hitting low and level, i know a guy who could out spin anybody else in the room (with any spin, follow, draw, left, right, any combonation) and hits maybe 1/4 tip off center, it's all in the stroke. Some people can do it your way, and some can do it low and level. Remember folks, it's not what your are holding, it's what you are holding it with...
Thanks
Jon
Buddy Hall and Efren hit em very very low as well.BiG_JoN said:
Buddy wrote, if you hit very low, you don't have to hit the cb hard ( hence your pocketing percentage goes up). But, a hair below center gives you a little more control. Just like forcing a ball forward instead of rolling it.
Busta hits em pretty low aswell...he's like scrapping the cloth lol