What's the rule when no 3 ball foul, and both players refuse to shoot?

[RDaniel13]

There is no three foul rule in 8 Ball.

In valley rules, there used to be a 3 foul rule up until the last year or two. Now it is considered a stalemate if each player has 3 attempts to move the balls and there is no significant change or moving the balls will result in the loss of a game.

http://www.vnea.com/cgi-bin/VNEA/info2.pl?domain=info&name=8_Ball_Rules

See E.7 and note below E.7

 

[Mikey Town]

So how would you play it in the situation that Celtic described, whether you were on the 8 or the remaining colored?

If I was in that position, I must have done something in that rack to let myself get into that position. If not, I got a terrible roll or my opponent got lucky.

Either way, I've lost because of these things before and I'm going to loose this time. Lest we forget... It is OK to loose sometimes. Additionally, if all you loose is the game, match, tournament, etc... (and not your head) you will learn from it.

Then I double the bet for the next set :grin:

 

[DogsPlayingPool]

If I was in that position, I must have done something in that rack to let myself get into that position. If not, I got a terrible roll or my opponent got lucky.

Either way, I've lost because of these things before and I'm going to loose this time. Lest we forget... It is OK to loose sometimes. Additionally, if all you loose is the game, match, tournament, etc... (and not your head) you will learn from it.

Then I double the bet for the next set :grin:

Well Mikey, with all due respect, that's not how I would proceed. Short of being on a hustle (and it's been decades) I wouldn't make a decision to lose a game or match before it's over. Until it's over, I'm trying to win.

 

[PaulieB]

He would not shoot it anyhow if he were actually IN the finals of a prestigious event at hill hill against someone who he actually wants to beat.

You cannot even do what he said, roll the cueball down the rail and hit the 8, now the cueball goes where? Drops on the table where the 8 was? And your hoping beyond all hope that it falls perfect so the cueball does not nudge the last remaining object ball that was frozen to it and get knocked in after the 8?

There is honestly no way to make either shot if it is screwed up like I said. No pro would ever play a shot there and would instead go to the re-rack.

If someone would rather in effect forfeit the match by shooting a shot that is clearly going to lose them the game instead of fighting on in the rerack for a chance at the title I cannot say I would be impressed with their sportsmanship (read lack of heart to actually attempt to win the tournament) and courage (read stupidity).

Taking a flyer like that would simply be a give up stroke. Not something most players would do, thankfully.

Mikey Town, there is no way I would ever shoot at this shot, risking $500 on a set just because you feel as if you should shoot is crazy... God knows my opponent wouldn't take the shot. Taking the re-rack just makes sense in this situation ... giving both players a real chance to make the money using skill instead of a crazy lucky shot that just happened to pay out. Yeah, I liked your original post, it was funny as heck ... but honestly, when it comes to money ... who would ever risk the cheese on a 0.001% chance shot when you can take a re-rack instead?