What's wrong with this picture?

TATE

TATE

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At first glance, this ad is pretty convincing.

Meucci Oldie 2 on E-Bay

An original Meucci Airplane Oldie cue in mint condition with two shafts. Best offer/buy it now at $450 is not bad for an original Oldie 2, but...

This is like one of those games:

What's wrong with this picture?

I found 8 things wrong with this description and pictures. Can you find them too?


Chris
 
1. OL-2 Sold for $455 orginally
2. Pic of whole cue is not an OL-2 and has Meucci original butt.
3. OL-2 has 3 silver rings not 5
4. OL-2 has 16 MOP inlays

That's about all I can find.

Jim
 
Well cinsidering i actually own an Original OL-2. I'll give my 2 cents on this one. OL-2 correct was around 450-500 new. Pic of full cue is that of an actual OL-2. However the other pic that just shows the butt is actually a regular Meucci. OL-2 has 4 (German Silver) rings, IF u count the original shaft. OL-2 actually has 20 MOP inlays. Also, this add states that it has 2 black dot shafts. As we all know Meucci Originals were long before black dot technology. So all in all someone could be full of donkey crap, LoL. Anyways left a pic for the heck of it....=-)

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l0k0,

I was counting the bottom large inlay as 1 instead 2. My bad, it does have 20 MOP inlays.

Jim
 
Yeah the bottom inlays arent a full inlay, as u can tell. Theres that small space between the propellars. So thats why i had stated 20 MOP inlays. Doesnt matter to me or you though. Still think this guy could be tryin 2 pull someone leg, LoL...=-)
 
jhendri2 said:
1. OL-2 Sold for $455 orginally
2. Pic of whole cue is not an OL-2 and has Meucci original butt.
3. OL-2 has 3 silver rings not 5
4. OL-2 has 16 MOP inlays

That's about all I can find.

Jim
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Here's the ad:

The model is Oldie 2. Sold originally for $850.00 new. Bid with confidence. Guaranteed satisfaction.

Weight is 19 Oz
Both shafts are 12mm in diameter
4 points : green, gold, black & cheery color
Irish linen wrap/ green speck with a polyurethane finish
Joint protectors included
5 silver rings inserts
20 pearl inlays
Stainless steel joint

The Black Dot Shaft is the newest development of technology in Shafts for the best product in the world today.


Here are the discrepancies I came up with, turned out to be 7 not 8:

1. The ebony point veneer colors are ebony/green/ebony/natural, not green, gold, black & cheery color.

2. There are 4 nickel silver rings, not 5.

3. The photos are of two different cues, an Oldie 2 original and a 95-19.

4. There are 8 MOP inlays and 12 abalone inlays, not 20 pearl inlays. (My early airplane cue has real abalone spears and a real ebony butt-sleeve - the later ones had plastic).

5. Both cues, whichever one it is, were made and out of production before the black dot shaft was even invented.

6. The joint is nickel-silver, not stainless steel.

7. The original price was $400 - $500 depending on year, not $850.

Fun, Huh? No wonder beginners get so much bad information.

Chris
 
Meucci OL 2 - NOT

Hi Folks

I saw this auction post yesterday. I wrote to the guy and attempted to inform him that his description and pictures were all wrong. He simply did not believe me. He replied, and unfortunately, due to frustration, I deleted his reply. Ater seeing this thread, I wrote to him again providing a link here so he can c that I'm not the only one taking exception with his Q description and pictures. Here is what I wrote today:

Hello. I wrote to u earlier about displaying pictures of 2 different Qs on your auction. The white picture is of an old Q with Meucci Originals on it. Many collectors want this Q. The other is the 2 pictures showing a newer far less collectable Q with Meucci on it. Let there b no doubt, they are 2 completely seperate Qs, one made many years prior to the other. It is like showing a 1969 Corvette Stingray and a 1997 Chevy Impala. Major difference. I am not the only one not pleased with your auction pictures and Q descritpions. Please take a look here: http://www.azbilliards.com/vbulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=17148
It seems quite a number of folks are taking exception to your auction. Please note that I did not start this post nor have I yet contributed to it, however I will. This is also on other billiards sites. U are advertising your Q to b a more expensive Q than what u have. Subsonic

Perhaps when he sees that others are telling him the same thing he will adjust his auction. Glad to c that someone else spotted it also.

Subs
Subsonic2u@aol.com
 
meucci cues are quite different

I heard about a Buddy Hall model that I thought would look like a cue Ive had for years. Came to find out that they made something like 5 different Buddy Hall cues.

Only saw one that looked like mine, brass pin/round bumper, 4 pt, 4windows,,,,,,,,,,,,,it was in a game room in Milton Florida
 
Subsonic2u said:
Hi Folks

I saw this auction post yesterday. I wrote to the guy and attempted to inform him that his description and pictures were all wrong. He simply did not believe me. He replied, and unfortunately, due to frustration, I deleted his reply. Ater seeing this thread, I wrote to him again providing a link here so he can c that I'm not the only one taking exception with his Q description and pictures. Here is what I wrote today:

Hello. I wrote to u earlier about displaying pictures of 2 different Qs on your auction. The white picture is of an old Q with Meucci Originals on it. Many collectors want this Q. The other is the 2 pictures showing a newer far less collectable Q with Meucci on it. Let there b no doubt, they are 2 completely seperate Qs, one made many years prior to the other. It is like showing a 1969 Corvette Stingray and a 1997 Chevy Impala. Major difference. I am not the only one not pleased with your auction pictures and Q descritpions. Please take a look here: http://www.azbilliards.com/vbulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=17148
It seems quite a number of folks are taking exception to your auction. Please note that I did not start this post nor have I yet contributed to it, however I will. This is also on other billiards sites. U are advertising your Q to b a more expensive Q than what u have. Subsonic

Perhaps when he sees that others are telling him the same thing he will adjust his auction. Glad to c that someone else spotted it also.

Subs
Subsonic2u@aol.com
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Love it. I wrote him too about the 2 different cue photos and no answer, so I posted here.

I am pretty sure it's just an honest mistake, but you would think the seller would show some concern for accuracy, plus I would like to see which cue they are really selling. I gave thought to the old version at first glance.

Or maybe there's a simple explanation. Like, maybe it has "meucci originals" on one side and Meucci in script on the other. Plus it was a had prototype $850 cue with the first two black dot shafts made in 1994 with an extra ring with a stainless joint. Find that hard to believe? Well, if you read my thread in the main forum on Idcues (the one-sided Schon ) nothing would be hard to believe. My friend Bill (I think you dealt with hersheybarbilliards too Subs, a great guy) got a good screwing from a 100% feedback seller.

I am getting paranoid about some of the crap going on out there. The legit sellers have to me more careful than ever to be accurate, or they will be confused for the bad ones. The unscrupulous sellers are giving everyone a bad name.

Chris
 
billfishhead said:
meucci cues are quite different

I heard about a Buddy Hall model that I thought would look like a cue Ive had for years. Came to find out that they made something like 5 different Buddy Hall cues.

Only saw one that looked like mine, brass pin/round bumper, 4 pt, 4windows,,,,,,,,,,,,,it was in a game room in Milton Florida
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The Buddy Hall is still pretty rare. I have an Earl Strickland - the one on the Proficient Billiards site. Not too many of those either.

Chris
 
Not a Meucci OL 2

Hi Guys

A follow up: Received this from a friend who knows that I collect Meucci Originals. This is what he sent to the same seller:

Sir/Madam. Your auction looks like a scam called the Old Bait and Switch. Show the customer the more expensive item and then ship the cheap one! In the first pic the cue is clearly an old Meucci Originals and worth a pretty penny to collectors. In the second pic it clearly shows the much newer Meucci cue which is not worth as much. If you are trying to cheat our bidders, you have been caught. The pics should be of the actual cue you are selling. If this is some sort of a mistake you should correct the problems. If not, I will watch this auction very closely. Substatuting a cheaper item for a more expensive item is not permitted.

Here is the sellers reply:

If you doubt the pictures, wait until tomorrow since I have the cue in my office. I will pick it up and make new pictures and post them.

The cue is original Meucci.... The picture where the cue is, is a stock photo from Meucci archives. The model I am selling is an Oldie 2. The shafts are brand new black dot. I used one of them and the other is never been chalked.

Regards,


Nelson Samour

He fails to realize the stock photo is that of a Meucci Originals OL 2 and the cue that he is selling is not. Or, maybe he does not care thinking he will get more money for his cue.

What may b causeing some of the problems are the the following 2 links each showing photos of Meucci brochures. First, Budget Billiards, notice they list the Qs as OL 1, OL 2, etc. Notice they are all Meucci Originals

http://www.budgetcues.com/archive/meucci-oldie-series.htm

Second, Discount Qs., notice they list the Qs as O 1, O 2, etc. Notice they are all Meucci

http://www.discountpoolcues.com/meuccioldieseries.htm

These are both actual sales brochures produced and distributed by Meucci to their dealers. When they switched from Meucci Originals to Meucci, they continued the Oldies Series, just giving new designations. Really creating a mess. :confused: Now only those who understand what happened know which Q is which. Plus the 95-19 is thrown in just to make matters worse. If u collect Meucci cues, just keep on :rolleyes:

Subs
 
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Subs,

I am actually certain he is telling the truth here, and it is a good explanation. If you check out his ad he now explains it in the comments part.

here's what he said:

Q: Which picture is correct? One shows a Meucci Originals on the butt and the other shows a newer model Meucci. Thanks, Jon
Aug-27-05
A: To All that have asked me questions abaut the cue: I will post new pictures on Tuesday. I have the cue in my office and the building is closed due to the Hurricane that just stroke south Florida. The cue is a Meucci. The model is Oldie 2. I bought it from a dealer here in Miami back in 1990. I have the original shaft and also 2 black dot shafts which I order from Meucci some weeks ago. The cue has "Meucci" in the bottom, not "Meucci Orginials". The photo posted is a stock photo from the actual Meucci catalog I used to buy the item many years ago. Sorry for the confusion. Please if you are interested in the cue, check back on Tuesday. Regards Nelson Samour



What happened was the Oldie was still being built old-style in 1990. That's when they switched to the new butt caps. They still called it the Oldie 2. I actually had a new one in the unopened factory package with the Oldie 2 label.

A few years later, they switched over to plastic everything and the cue went to shit. Then a little later they called it a 95-19. He's got one of the good ones but with the newer logo. The reason why I say that is look at the butt sleeve photos. That's a nice piece of real ebony not black plastic. The inlays look good too. On the plastic inlay cues, you can't see the inlay because it's too clear.

He's OK - he just needed some information. Looks like he's going to re-do the ad.

Chris
 
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