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Razorback Randy

Razorback Randy

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I was playing in a small 8 ball tournament the other day and two guys came to me to ask me what to do. I don't own the bar or run the tournament - I just happen to know a little more about the rules than most of the other guys there. Player A breaks and makes 1 stripe and one solid. He then shoots and makes the 5 ball, but when he is pulling his cue back he bumps the six ball (oh by the way this is one of the nicest guys I know and he is about 75 years old). Player B jumps to the table and says foul - my shot. We do not play foul on all balls - you normally just move the ball back where it was and continue to shoot. Player A says ok and sits down - no arguments. Player B steps to the table and makes the 6 ball and is about to shoot another solid when Player A says wait a minute I am solids. Player B said that since the table was open and he committed a foul it was lost of turn and the ball pocketed did not count - even though it stayed down. I told them that I think Player A is solids and since Player B pocketed a solid that the best thing they could do is drop another 75 cents and let Player A break again. What would you do?
 
If player A agreed with the foul call then the table is open and player B can shoot solids.

However, this sounds like a nice friendly tournament and I agree with the call of re-rack and let player A break again.

Just another example why "CB fouls only" should pass of this world....
 
Player A agreed that it was a foul on this 6 ball, but the 5 was already down - woudn't that make player A solids?
 
If you are using APA rules, then it is cue ball fouls only.
If you are playing bar rules, then it is a foul on an open table. Meaning, the other player is coming to an open table and can shoot at either set of balls.

I think the best way you could have responded, was to tell them to ask the person running the tournament for an official ruling.
 
If player A agreed with the foul call then the table is open and player B can shoot solids.
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I agree.

FWIW I think hitting the six is not a foul,but if the shooter agreed that it matters not.
 
The person running the tourney is a bar tender who doesn't know the rules that well. This is a very small local tourney (about 20 regulars with a few new comers every now and then). I appreciate everyones input.
 
Razorback Randy said:
Player A agreed that it was a foul on this 6 ball, but the 5 was already down - woudn't that make player A solids?
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It would be the first "legal shot" that determines the pick, since the shooter fouled on the shot, it's an open table. And all balls fouls should have been determined before the tourny started by whoever is running it and given out clearly to the players.

I don't like cueball fouls only, I have seen too many times some-one bridge over a cluster, hit the thing with his stick or hand moving balls all over the place, and go on to shoot like nothing happened. Or move a ball to a better position and without waiting to ask if it should be moved back continue to shoot. Most people don't check for these things or just assume it's OK to do.

However, I don't like where your clothing or hair brushes agains a ball, not even moving it, and it's a foul. The all balls foul rule does put some of the of the heavier players at a dissadvantage, as well as some women (if you know what I mean, and it's not due to longer hair ;) ).
 
Like they said

since Player A agreed to the foul on the 6 ball, it is open table.

All ball fouls causes arguments, and should be reserved for the pros.
Cue ball fouls only is the 'amateur' way, and is friendlier and more forgiving.

The 'problem' should have been explained to the TD, and asked for a ruling.
Play tournaments in bars at your own risk. Very few know how to run a proper tournament. It's like asking a carpenter to make you a cue.
 
Does anyone really know

Razorback Randy said:
I was playing in a small 8 ball tournament the other day and two guys came to me to ask me what to do. I don't own the bar or run the tournament - I just happen to know a little more about the rules than most of the other guys there. Player A breaks and makes 1 stripe and one solid. He then shoots and makes the 5 ball, but when he is pulling his cue back he bumps the six ball (oh by the way this is one of the nicest guys I know and he is about 75 years old). Player B jumps to the table and says foul - my shot. We do not play foul on all balls - you normally just move the ball back where it was and continue to shoot. Player A says ok and sits down - no arguments. Player B steps to the table and makes the 6 ball and is about to shoot another solid when Player A says wait a minute I am solids. Player B said that since the table was open and he committed a foul it was lost of turn and the ball pocketed did not count - even though it stayed down. I told them that I think Player A is solids and since Player B pocketed a solid that the best thing they could do is drop another 75 cents and let Player A break again. What would you do?
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Hmmmmm. Does anyone really know the rules to 8Ball?

Are you playing:
BCA rules
APA rules
IPT rules
House rules
On a coin operated table
On a 9ft. table

The game has more rules than Catholic School.
 
I think starting over and letting player A break again is the best way to go. That way you start fresh and even and no one can get all jack up and pissed off later if things aren't going the way they want. It may not be the best answer but its fair to both and it won't end up in a huge fight and a lot of smack talk later.
 
not great but better than most

In my BCA league that I play in if accidentally move one ball it's ok and you have to ask the opponent if they want it moved back or leave it where it lies. But if 2 or more balls move then it is a foul. Not as good as foul on all balls but it's clear.

Preston
 
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