Which one do you feel works the best for you? I plan on shooting BCA, so anything phenolic/resin related is a no-go.
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What's your favorite BCA legal break tip?
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My staff and I are researching and developing new tips. As you can imagine we are thinking out of the box.
Tips:
1. The Hammer - This is a hardened Titanium tip that tapers to a 4 mm contact point. Precision and power incorporated into one fine piece of American ingenuity. For an added cost, we can add a GPS tracker and helmet with heads up display so you can monitor and control your tip at all times.
2. BOING - This is the latest jump cue tip. We take a solid leather tip and hollow out the middle. We insert a spring (tension defined by customer) and fill the tip up with the residue we created. This bad boy can bounce a ball. In a pinch, one can also use this as a pogo stick to get out of a bad situation.
3. Grabby - The first Masse tip ever invented. Biotechnology at it's best. This tip literally grabs the cue ball for more friction between the ball and tip. We take the tip of your liking and glue a Gecko's foot on it. Once cured, this tip will grab anything. Geico may not be happy, but player's will love us.
For protection, all tips will come with phenolic hats designed to look like your favorite U.S. President or World dictator.
If you have any other ideas, please let us know.
Tips:
1. The Hammer - This is a hardened Titanium tip that tapers to a 4 mm contact point. Precision and power incorporated into one fine piece of American ingenuity. For an added cost, we can add a GPS tracker and helmet with heads up display so you can monitor and control your tip at all times.
2. BOING - This is the latest jump cue tip. We take a solid leather tip and hollow out the middle. We insert a spring (tension defined by customer) and fill the tip up with the residue we created. This bad boy can bounce a ball. In a pinch, one can also use this as a pogo stick to get out of a bad situation.
3. Grabby - The first Masse tip ever invented. Biotechnology at it's best. This tip literally grabs the cue ball for more friction between the ball and tip. We take the tip of your liking and glue a Gecko's foot on it. Once cured, this tip will grab anything. Geico may not be happy, but player's will love us.
For protection, all tips will come with phenolic hats designed to look like your favorite U.S. President or World dictator.
If you have any other ideas, please let us know.
Very helpful Newstroke, thanks.
stinger jump/break cue
I voted other. I have a Stinger jump/break cue with two shafts - the original phenolic and a second leather-tipped shaft ordered from Jerry Powers. I purchased the leather-tipped shaft when the phenolic ban went into effect. I've had no problems, and like it better than the original phenolic tip. I seem to have better control on the break, jumping is basically the same, and no adjustment was required since the taper, et al, is the same as the original shaft. It sounds better, too.
- Andrew
I voted other. I have a Stinger jump/break cue with two shafts - the original phenolic and a second leather-tipped shaft ordered from Jerry Powers. I purchased the leather-tipped shaft when the phenolic ban went into effect. I've had no problems, and like it better than the original phenolic tip. I seem to have better control on the break, jumping is basically the same, and no adjustment was required since the taper, et al, is the same as the original shaft. It sounds better, too.
- Andrew
Everybody seems to like the Samsara. I've heard of people using the WB tips, but haven't really heard much about the Pressed Ingot tip from Mezz, which is really what prompted me to start the poll.
Home-made tip. Drop a Le Pro into a pot of near-boiling water for about 6-7 minutes. Take it out and put it in a tip press (Joe Picone sells them) for 8 hours. What will come out is a near phenolic hardness Le Pro that takes chalk. Totally legal - breaks and jumps really well.
What, exactly is a BCA break tip? Are they different than ordinary tips?
It's not actually a type of tip. The Billiard Congress of America runs a national league system that has banned the use of phenolic tips on break cues. That's why I asked for people's favorite BCA legal, aka leather, break tip.
I am using a Talisman XH on my break cue. But since I don't look like an olympic tumbler at the break, I don't notice that much difference from the phenolic it used to have, it does hold chalk a lot better, though.
Ah, I did not know that. Thanks.
Correction...
Not the BCA. The BCA does not run a league, and has not since 2004. What you are referring to is the BCAPL. Please see the disclaimers in my sig for the details...
Buddy Eick
BCAPL National Head Referee
BCAPL Director of Referee Training
Technical Editor, BCAPL Rule Book
bcapl_referee@cox.net
Find the Official Rules of the BCA Pool League here:
http://www.playbca.com/Downloads/Rulebook/CompleteRulebook/tabid/372/Default.aspx
* The contents of this post refer to BCA Pool League (BCAPL) Rules only. The BCAPL National Office has authorized me to act in an official capacity regarding questions about BCAPL Rules matters in public forums.
* Neither I nor any BCAPL referee make any policy decisions regarding BCAPL Rules. Any and all decisions, interpretations, or Applied Rulings are made by the BCAPL National Office and are solely their responsibility. BCAPL referees are enforcers of rules, not legislators. BCAPL Rules 9.5.3 and 9.5.4 apply.
* No reference to, inference concerning, or comment on any other set of rules (WPA, APA, VNEA, TAP, or any other set of rules, public or private) is intended or should be derived from this post unless specifically stated.
* There is no such thing as "BCA Rules" other than in the sense that the Billiard Congress of America (BCA) publishes various rules, including the World Pool-Billiard Association's "World Standardized Rules". The BCA does not edit nor is responsible for the content of the World Standardized Rules. The Official Rules of the BCAPL is a separate and independent set of rules and, to avoid confusion, should not be referred to as "BCA Rules".
* Since 2004, there is no such thing as a "BCA Referee". The BCA no longer has any program to train, certify or sanction billiards referees or officials.
* The BCAPL has no association with the Billiard Congress of America other than in their capacity as a member of the BCA.
* The BCAPL has not addressed every imaginable rules issue, nor will it ever likely be able to, as evidenced by the seemingly endless situations that people dream up or that (more frequently) actually happen. If I do not have the answer to a question I will tell you so, then I will get a ruling from the BCAPL National Office and get back to you as soon as I can. If deemed necessary, the BCAPL will then add the ruling to the "Applied Rulings" section of The Official Rules of the BCA Pool League.
Not the BCA. The BCA does not run a league, and has not since 2004. What you are referring to is the BCAPL. Please see the disclaimers in my sig for the details...
Buddy Eick
BCAPL National Head Referee
BCAPL Director of Referee Training
Technical Editor, BCAPL Rule Book
bcapl_referee@cox.net
Find the Official Rules of the BCA Pool League here:
http://www.playbca.com/Downloads/Rulebook/CompleteRulebook/tabid/372/Default.aspx
* The contents of this post refer to BCA Pool League (BCAPL) Rules only. The BCAPL National Office has authorized me to act in an official capacity regarding questions about BCAPL Rules matters in public forums.
* Neither I nor any BCAPL referee make any policy decisions regarding BCAPL Rules. Any and all decisions, interpretations, or Applied Rulings are made by the BCAPL National Office and are solely their responsibility. BCAPL referees are enforcers of rules, not legislators. BCAPL Rules 9.5.3 and 9.5.4 apply.
* No reference to, inference concerning, or comment on any other set of rules (WPA, APA, VNEA, TAP, or any other set of rules, public or private) is intended or should be derived from this post unless specifically stated.
* There is no such thing as "BCA Rules" other than in the sense that the Billiard Congress of America (BCA) publishes various rules, including the World Pool-Billiard Association's "World Standardized Rules". The BCA does not edit nor is responsible for the content of the World Standardized Rules. The Official Rules of the BCAPL is a separate and independent set of rules and, to avoid confusion, should not be referred to as "BCA Rules".
* Since 2004, there is no such thing as a "BCA Referee". The BCA no longer has any program to train, certify or sanction billiards referees or officials.
* The BCAPL has no association with the Billiard Congress of America other than in their capacity as a member of the BCA.
* The BCAPL has not addressed every imaginable rules issue, nor will it ever likely be able to, as evidenced by the seemingly endless situations that people dream up or that (more frequently) actually happen. If I do not have the answer to a question I will tell you so, then I will get a ruling from the BCAPL National Office and get back to you as soon as I can. If deemed necessary, the BCAPL will then add the ruling to the "Applied Rulings" section of The Official Rules of the BCA Pool League.
So what does the "BCA" in "BCAPL" stand for?
I voted other. I have a Stinger jump/break cue with two shafts - the original phenolic and a second leather-tipped shaft ordered from Jerry Powers. I purchased the leather-tipped shaft when the phenolic ban went into effect. I've had no problems, and like it better than the original phenolic tip. I seem to have better control on the break, jumping is basically the same, and no adjustment was required since the taper, et al, is the same as the original shaft. It sounds better, too.
- Andrew
If the new shaft that you bought came with the McDermott's "big boy" tip then it is the Samsara break tip (hard). I contacted McDermott to ask him how close the two tips were to each other and the lady stated "exactly the same because they are the same tip". So you may have the Samsara unless you got it specially made by Jerry and he used something else but odds are that he even used the Sam, if he has McDermott making them with the Sam. Good tip though.
For Jumping the White Diamond is totally fine, they pretty much said you can jump with anything. (Meaning they didn't put a restriction on the type of tip to jump with).
I have never used a White Diamond but I thought they were similar to phenolic?
For Breaking the Rules state that it has to be a leather tip to break with.
I used the hardest water buffalo tips I can find. Personally for me it is a great balance between control and hardness. I never personally liked phenolic because you see all the people that miscue their break and they seem to do it more with phenolic. I broke with a few phenolic tips and never really liked the feel of it.
I started using the water buffalo about 3 or 4 years ago and I asolutely love them! It feels like they get harder over time from breaking like they actually compress a little bit after time. However since it is leather it has a little more grip than the phenolic. For me this means more control! Oh and another thing they last a long time, don't mushroom, and hardly ever need scuffed or shaped once put on!
I have tried different tips of different hardness, and personally the WB just works best for me. (But to each their own!)
The Mezz Pressed Ingot is the best kept secret IMHO!
Hard as nails and breaks and jumps like a phenolic tip. It is a super pressed buffalo tip.
Hard as nails and breaks and jumps like a phenolic tip. It is a super pressed buffalo tip.
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Samsara break tip is superior to anything else I've tried.
Hard like phenolic, takes english and does not damage the cue ball.
Hard like phenolic, takes english and does not damage the cue ball.