When giving the 8 on bar table, where to rack the 8?

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As stated there was a game playing on dynamo bar table using wooden rack. The guy getting the 8 wild had a really powerful break and was scattering the rack usually making a ball or two.

The guy giving weight was racking it behind the 1, but it went into the side a few times, then he switched it to behind the 9 but then it went towards the bottom corner pocket regularly.

What is the best strategy in this game or are you basically at risk of this when giving this spot on the bar table to a big breaker?
 
actionplayer said:
As stated there was a game playing on dynamo bar table using wooden rack. The guy getting the 8 wild had a really powerful break and was scattering the rack usually making a ball or two.

The guy giving weight was racking it behind the 1, but it went into the side a few times, then he switched it to behind the 9 but then it went towards the bottom corner pocket regularly.

What is the best strategy in this game or are you basically at risk of this when giving this spot on the bar table to a big breaker?
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On a bar table, always at risk. Impossible to get a tight rack on those, usually.

I like the bottom ball opposite the 1 since it usually kicks up table and hangs near the head rail.
 
ideologist said:
On a bar table, always at risk. Impossible to get a tight rack on those, usually.

I like the bottom ball opposite the 1 since it usually kicks up table and hangs near the head rail.
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i thought about that but then gets knocked pretty god but like I said think I answered my own question on bar table with wooden rack and big break all to chance.
 
Used to play 9ball ring game with 3-4 people on a bar box where it was $1 on the 5 and $2 for the 9 ball. The 5 ball was always racked in the back opposite the 1. No spot is completely safe but that's probably the best option.
 
NitPicker said:
Used to play 9ball ring game with 3-4 people on a bar box where it was $1 on the 5 and $2 for the 9 ball. The 5 ball was always racked in the back opposite the 1. No spot is completely safe but that's probably the best option.
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i guess the logic was when most people get a spot the money ball is typically racked behind the one. or when svb gave scooter the 6 out he racked the 6,7 behind the 1 and 8 behind the 9 albeit that was 9 foot.
 
NitPicker said:
Used to play 9ball ring game with 3-4 people on a bar box where it was $1 on the 5 and $2 for the 9 ball. The 5 ball was always racked in the back opposite the 1. No spot is completely safe but that's probably the best option.
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The object is to make it as unlikely as possible for the breaker to make the money ball on the break.

It's the general consensus that regardless of table size, it's the two spots behind the 1 that accomplish this.

You would clearly never put money balls on the wing, and the only time you would put money balls in the back is when there are more than two money balls.
 
railbird99 said:
The object is to make it as unlikely as possible for the breaker to make the money ball on the break.

It's the general consensus that regardless of table size, it's the two spots behind the 1 that accomplish this.

You would clearly never put money balls on the wing, and the only time you would put money balls in the back is when there are more than two money balls.
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i concur, unfortunately in this instance it went 1 rail into the opposite side more than expected or elsewhere
 
railbird99 said:
The object is to make it as unlikely as possible for the breaker to make the money ball on the break.

It's the general consensus that regardless of table size, it's the two spots behind the 1 that accomplish this.

You would clearly never put money balls on the wing, and the only time you would put money balls in the back is when there are more than two money balls.
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Yes, this makes sense. Thx.
 
actionplayer said:
As stated there was a game playing on dynamo bar table using wooden rack. The guy getting the 8 wild had a really powerful break and was scattering the rack usually making a ball or two.

The guy giving weight was racking it behind the 1, but it went into the side a few times, then he switched it to behind the 9 but then it went towards the bottom corner pocket regularly.

What is the best strategy in this game or are you basically at risk of this when giving this spot on the bar table to a big breaker?
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First nobody gets wild money balls for my action. Ridiculous way to win.

Put the 8 behind the 1 on the side he's breaking from. least amount of energy goes into that ball.

If he's breaking from the middle or smart enough to break opposite side of the 8 you gotta compensate. Then I'd try behind the 9 on the side he's breaking from. It can leave money ball easy for corner pocket combis.

If all else fails end ball and let it hit end rail and come up table. It can go in upper corner pocket but shouldn't do so routinely.
 
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If you spot the money ball behind the one it's not hard for an opponent to spin that ball off the side rail and into opposite side pocket. Break with a little low outside English. The one spins opposite and the money ball spins same as cueball. Money ball hits rail and spins up.

That's why I will rack money ball on same side as they break. If they switch sides on the break I switch it to another location on future racks.
 
One of the spots behind the 1 ball... alternate and see which side they break better from. If they change to an overall weaker/worse break chasing the money ball it'll usually backfire on them. Also, trying to go cross side with the second ball will end up putting the money ball on or near the side rail and take it out of early play in the rack.
 
good insight, i agree with not allowing it to count off the break but its wild and the guy did need that spot..or should i say he would only play with that spot.

good advice on the opposite side from where he is breaking now you say that the racker was putting it behind the one but breaker was breaking from same side.

they broke even but the guy getting weight should have won with all the early 8s and rolls he got.
 
Any place it isn't goin in from! Gotta move it around and pay attention, if it is going in from the 2nd row.
 
I do it behind the 1, as do most that give me the 8. Yes, it will go towards the side, and if you are giving the call 8 I usually call it cross side. Depending on where it is at is where I break. On the end of the rack, I can make it far more often in the opposite corner on the break.
 
I don't play with wild money balls, except the 9B itself.....and even then I prefer the bottom corners to be dead.

That solves most of the problem.
 
actionplayer said:
i concur, unfortunately in this instance it went 1 rail into the opposite side more than expected or elsewhere
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First, I would try switching the spot behind the 1, meaning if the 8 is to the left behind the 1, place it to the right.

Another thing you can do is always rack the balls in the exact same order. After the opponent breaks several times, you pay attention to which balls consistently do not go in on the break. Then you can place the 8 in the spot that one of those balls was in.

You also have to remember that just because it's less likely for the 8 to go if you place it behind the 1, it doesn't mean that the breaker can't have a string of lucky breaks where it just happens to go.

Just like when flipping a coin it's possible to get heads 10 times in a row even though it's a 50/50 chance. Also, I'm sure you've seen people make the 9 on the break several times in a row.
 
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