When is it ok to "quit winner"?
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Does anyone have any more questions about what the background is of the two different sides in this discussion?
He's not terrible. And I'm not stealing. He's buying his way out of action. Happens all the time. Luckily, the people I play already know these things. I don't mess around with bad action.
Sorry Drew, I don't think you can find any high ground on this stance. Stiffing someone is the worst sin of gambling.
Quitting winner an unwritten rule? As far as I'm concerned the only rules that matter are the ones agreed upon at the beginning of the match.
if you agree to 3 sets, then 3 sets it is. It is acceptable to ask for another set after that, but the other player has no obligation to agree.
If there is no agreement, then any player can quit at any time.
Jeeziz, Drew!
Thanks for the heads up!
Thanks for the heads up!
And wondering...specifically from those that are offended at being quit on:
Is it also nitty to not offer double or nothings until the winner is even? I know that is how winners become WINNERS, so let's not jump to what could happen, just if it is 'required' by you.
Is it also nitty to not offer double or nothings until the winner is even? I know that is how winners become WINNERS, so let's not jump to what could happen, just if it is 'required' by you.
As a winner I don't believe you are obligated to play for any period of time. For example, if you want to have dinner you have every right in the world to stop playing and get something to eat.
My question would be if you won the 1st two sets, would your buddy quit? If the answer is no, he would keep playing, he's giving you odds on the money so why sweat it. He is minimizing his potential winnings while he would lose much more to you - what's wrong with that? You did say you were buddies so just keep playing: win 5 to his 2 every time, it's fun :thumbup:. Heck, send him a cab if the weather's bad
.I play a guy 2-3 times a week when we can and we quit at the same time each day. He knows he could quit anytime he wants, winner or loser, if he has an emergency plumbing job or he gets aggravated w/the juke box blaring crap. Life is too short.
It sounds like if you stop playing all these guys that quit, you will not have anyone else to play - and we all love playing don't we?
Dave
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Exactly, I have a couple guys who I play regularly and they will always quit if I'm shooting my best and/or their game is off. If you let them do this, it's like playing the casino with stacked odds. Especially if you are willing to play when your game isn't clicking perfectly, hoping to find your stroke. For these individuals, ahead of time, we decide on a minimum of 3 sets, play until a set time, a long set to 13 games for bigger money, or 2 out of 3sets for $___.
These problems are amplified when playing by the game. 2 weeks ago I played friend $5 a rack and won 7 straight. He quit then, even though he still had plenty of time to play and went and played one pocket with someone else. He wasn't willing to lose more. Just a different mindset than me.
I I had lost 7 straight to a player that I know I can beat, I would feel that my losing had nothing to do with my play, only that my opponent was in stroke. I would feel that if I waited, maybe I would get opportunity to have a similiar run. In fact I would have asked to up it to $10-20 a game to make up the loss. To me if you quit early you never know how well it might have gone, you are limiting yourself.
The ones I like will play until closing every time, but they are few and far between. With them you just play and the best man wins...simple, beautiful and very profitable.
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You are free to quit winner ANYTIME. Just as people are free to consider you a NIT for doing so.
This is really not complicated.
You and I play $20/game.
You win two games and then you remember that you have to go to work.
You quit.
You are a nit.
You and I play $20/game.
We go back and forth for several hours.
You say, "I must leave in an hour."
I say, "Okay."
This is perfectly acceptable.
You and I play $20/game.
You win 3 games.
You say, "I must leave in an hour."
I say, "Let's play a race to 3 for $60."
You say, "No. Let's just play $20/game."
This is perfectly acceptable.
You and I play $50/set.
You win 3 sets and I say, "That's it. I'm done."
This is perfectly acceptable.
You and I play $50/set.
You win 3 sets.
I ask for a spot.
You oblige.
You lose 2 sets and say, "Let's play even again."
I say, "No."
You quit.
This is perfectly acceptable. You are winner playing even, I am winner with the spot.
You and I play for $5.
You win.
I say, "Double the bet."
You say, "Okay."
You win again.
I say, "Play for $20."
You say, "No."
I quit.
This is perfectly acceptable.
Do you notice how the loser quits each time? When you start playing, you should assume that you will keep playing forever or until one of you is broke. If you cannot play forever, then give sufficient notice, as in, "I have to leave in 3 hours."
This doesn't mean you have to let the guy get even to get quit. It means you have to keep beating him until he's had enough. I suppose this is the difference in mentality between winners and pussies. When the bet changes, the game starts over. When the spot changes, the game starts over. But you gotta keep playing the same way until the loser quits.
I've quit winner before. Usually, it is because better action just walked in the room. I always forfeit out the last set. I'm buying my way out of the game.
In the end, you probably shouldn't gamble if you're going to be a nit.
NEVER...you must lose all the money you won before you leave.
Then you are not a nit and considered GREAT action
Right! It seems that the only time you see everyone happy is when matches break even. I can't count the number of times I've heard money players report, "We broke even," almost as if they were proud of it. If that's the goal, why gamble at all?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not supporting gambling here. Gambling at pool is all about two people trying to take money from each other. Why should things like rules and etiquette apply to that?
Roger
Sounds like your buddy is a pretty good hustler.
Well, the jab aside...
A fine reply...but you failed to addess the scenario where it is none of your business why I choose to play or not to play!
...just keep playing: win 5 to his 2 every time, it's fun :thumbup:. Heck, send him a cab if the weather's bad
Dave
Agreed- I have a friend that plays damn near exactly like I do and we have probably played 1000+ games in the years I have known him, and we are probably about 60/40 with him coming out winner rarely. Today is only one day.