Where the cb hits the rack - interesting visualization method
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Thelonious Monk
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Look also in the picture at where he has the joint (where the cue changes from blond to black). I think he's using that line as well. He's set the joint up where the center of the cue ball would be and using that 'join line' to begin visualizing the tangent line. I think. Or maybe I'm overthinking it now.
Btw - do people really think the curve of English is going to affect the tangent line unless the break ball is a long way off and you're not hitting it very hard? My impression is for maybe 95 per cent of break shots, the break ball will be too close and you'll be hitting it too hard.
The cue ball will stay on that tangent line for a surprisingly long time before the spin starts to take effect. But maybe I'm wrong. Hmmm.
Btw - do people really think the curve of English is going to affect the tangent line unless the break ball is a long way off and you're not hitting it very hard? My impression is for maybe 95 per cent of break shots, the break ball will be too close and you'll be hitting it too hard.
The cue ball will stay on that tangent line for a surprisingly long time before the spin starts to take effect. But maybe I'm wrong. Hmmm.
I mentioned that, so let me clarify my remark. The use of english will not dramatically affect the tangent line the cue ball takes - for a given contact point. But because side spin causes spin-induced throw, you can use english to alter the contact point and in this way change the tangent line.
This is what I was referring to.
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sausage
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Monk: i believe that english will effect the cue tangent line enough to change the hit on the rack ball. sometimes even 1/32" will make the difference between hitting square and hitting the top half of a ball in the rack and that will make a huge difference on how the CB reacts. having said this, i'd like to get Bob on this with a high-speed camera. now that would be a pool vid never before done. "break-ball tangent lines and upon them the effects of english/follow and draw. "
great observation, I didn't notice it at first. I would be using just any portion of the cue and thus applying the method wrong way
I am only a 40 ball runner, but I have been using this technique ever since I started this game. Nobody showed it to me either. It just made sense to use something straight to find the lines, something straight like .... my cue!!! Someone once tried to tell me that its illegal to use any measuring device when playing, he said this when he saw me using the technique. I told him," I aint measuring sh*t, Im visualizing! Big diffrence." He shut up after that.
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It's certainly would be interesting watching to a small minority of us, Sausage. My wife always laughs at me when I'm reading straight pool books -- she compares it to the time she found her Dad engrossed in a copy of 'The Ins And Outs Of Early Ford Transmission'.
But back to the point. I agree english will affect the tangent line. Although at the speed I hit most of my break shots, I'm not spinning the balls in at all. From all of Dr Dave's lessons I've learned to ignore spin transfer at high speeds. But I'm only into my second, maybe third year of straight pool, and the subtleties of speed on break shots is a mystery yet to be explored by me. I tend to whack them or smack them. 8/10 and 6/10 are my only two speeds.
I should probably work on that.
But the serious point -- how many break shots will be hit soft enough for english to change the tangent line enough to importantly affect the hit on the stack?
sausage
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LOL..... our brains are wired differently and that's a good thing. you might want to point out to her that she reaps the rewards of such mechanical inquisition daily without knowing or thinking of it. as an interesting coincidence, today, just for fun, i took the case off of a 1965, ford, 3sp trans just to see how the gears worked, getting grime and oil all over myself. women don't do that. this difference might be why women are not as strong at pool as the men even though physical strength has nothing to do with the game.
I found this very interesting and tried it today with one of my local sparring partners. I found it helpful in quite a few situations.
