I do not understand this statement. Is it Call Shot and/or Call Safe?
Which is version of ten ball is preferred?
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I do not understand this statement. Is it Call Shot and/or Call Safe?
I like call shot, call safe for 10 ball. Otherwise, it is just a version of 9 ball. One pocket is not 14:1 which is not 8 ball which is not 9 ball which shouldn’t be 10 ball. They are different games and no need to make them more like the game you prefer. Play the game you like.
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That's nonsense of the highest order at pro level. The best players play a lot of defense with their offense. It's called good conceptualization and good downside management. If you don't see it, you need to watch more carefully, There are countless opportunities to play offense and defense together, and the ability to do so is one of the things that makes the great ones great. Dumbing down the game in a way that barely addresses the luck factor at all is way too big a price to pay. OK by me if bangers want to play that way, but heaven forbid its use in pro pool. On the bright side, it's very rare that the game is played that way, but it isn't nearly rare enough for my taste.
At pro level, the best players probably only miss two to three shots per race to nine, but play more two way shots than that.
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... If you've got the imagination to play a good two way shot, you should have the imagination to let the world know about it beforehand.
Call it a two way shot. As I said, I'd allow this once a game, like an extension. I should also add that a player kicking at a ball after a called safe should be exempt from this, and shouldn't have to call either the ball or a safe
Deliberate two way shots are a high form of skill, but even on the pro level they don't usually come up as often as some people think.
Here would be an experiment to test this: In a series of matches between two pros, allow them as many two-way shot calls as they want, and then after the match...
1. Count how many times the two-way shot was called.
2. Count how many times the object ball got near the pocket
3. When the object ball was missed, count how many times the player had a makeable follow up shot on the next ball if the object ball had gone in. If it were a true two-way shot, you'd think getting position on the next ball would be part of the strategy.
4. I'd also count the percentage of two-way shots that resulted in the ball being pocketed, as opposed to the number of missed shots where the opponent was left safe.
I've watched many hundreds of pro matches, and what I see 90% of the time are either attempts to run out OR attempts to play safe, and the number of true two-way shots, where there's a sincere attempt to pocket a ball AND leave the opponent safe, are relatively few and far between. I could be wrong, but I'd like to see more actual data on this before changing my mind.
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Call it a two way shot. As I said, I'd allow this once a game, like an extension. I should also add that a player kicking at a ball after a called safe should be exempt from this, and shouldn't have to call either the ball or a safe
Deliberate two way shots are a high form of skill, but even on the pro level they don't usually come up as often as some people think.
Here would be an experiment to test this: In a series of matches between two pros, allow them as many two-way shot calls as they want, and then after the match...
1. Count how many times the two-way shot was called.
2. Count how many times the object ball got near the pocket
3. When the object ball was missed, count how many times the player had a makeable follow up shot on the next ball if the object ball had gone in. If it were a true two-way shot, you'd think getting position on the next ball would be part of the strategy.
4. I'd also count the percentage of two-way shots that resulted in the ball being pocketed, as opposed to the number of missed shots where the opponent was left safe.
I've watched many hundreds of pro matches, and what I see 90% of the time are either attempts to run out OR attempts to play safe, and the number of true two-way shots, where there's a sincere attempt to pocket a ball AND leave the opponent safe, are relatively few and far between. I could be wrong, but I'd like to see more actual data on this before changing my mind.
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Reminiscent of the “total snooker” rule in English pool where a player is excempt from the rail after contact rule if he or she can’t make a direct hit on a ball of his or her group. Bad rule emanating from similar thought processes.
Just play sensible rules. Call shot and call pocket. No contrived “call safe” nonsense, allow the game to flow the way that particular game is supposed to flow.
Yes, you are wrong. Two way doesn't always mean pocketing a ball while snookering after a miss --- it just means that the cue ball is played to where opponent's opportunities will be either limited or undesirable. In fact, there are more two way shots where no snooker occurs than two way shots where opponent ends up hooked, but in most such cases, opponent would love to be able to give it back.
I'm not sure what you mean by sincere attempt to pocket a ball. Nobody shoots at anything without a sincere attempt to make it, but two way shots allow the most skillful players to attempt some wildly difficult shots as long as they are able to simultaneously manage their downside with at least some defense.
Most of us truly enjoy this kind of tactical shot in one pocket, where you might see fifteen of them in a single rack from time to time. Rotation games can have that same majesty unless we're foolish enough to eliminate them and dumb down the game.
I've seen tens of thousands of pro matches live, but that doesn't make me an authority on this subject. To some extent, the issue here is what one considers to be a two way shot. Clearly, I define it more broadly than many, but two way shots under my definition are abundant at the top tiers of the game and far outnumber "fluke safeties" that come on a miss.
Official call shot rules it is:
Incoming player can pass shot back to shooter or shoot from there.
Incoming player has option on any illegally pocketed ball. That could be either the ball he's on or another ball. Say i called the 5 in the corner but it rattled and went in another pocket. That would be illeg. and incoming play. has option. Same as if you s^*t one in.
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Thanks, that is the way we play it. I'll buy the rule book today.
What we play is generally known as Pro10. Its basically the WPA rules with one exception: you can combo/carom the 10b(called of course) for the win. Makes for a more exciting game than having to make 10b last. I hope they adopt this version for 10b WC in Vegas. The viewers will like it better for sure.
For the 10b WC they will use the official WPA rules.
Too bad. 10b-last is the boring version. Being able to call a carom/combo is far more exciting way to play. Oh well.
Yes, we play it that way also.
You can still call it. 10 spots back up and you carry on. Even more exciting.
HUH????? How is that more exciting??? Being able to combo/carom the 10b for the win is LESS exciting than having to make the 10b last??? No way.
I was joking. Well, kind of.