Which shaft applies the most spin?

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Hey people. I am in a tough situation here. I am deciding on what shaft to get for my new Russ Espiritu, and I would like to hear from your experience with your current shafts, or shafts you have used in the past. I want a shaft that puts enough spin on the cueball easily, and accurately. I heard that the McDermott I-2 shafts apply A LOT of spin, but can't confirm this myself. I was talking to Shawn Putnam when he was here in Los Angeles, and he told me some good things about his Tiger X shaft. The only aftermarket shaft I have used, is a 314-2 when I bought my 5K2. What do you guys think? Can you guys help me out a bit? Here's what I have in mind of purchasing:

McDermott I-2
Tiger X Shaft
OB-1
Universal
DP-R

If I can't decide, I'll just buy another 314-2.
 
I have a 314 1st edition and also a Z-shaft 1st edition, to me the Z puts on more than enough spin for me, which i like when playing 9 ball. The 314 i used for IP and 8 ball. Never have used any of the other shafts you listed so have no idea how they compare. Shawn Putman knows what works for him and anything he recommended would be worth looking into.
 
Wimpy,

This is my thoughts on after market shafts. You just bought a very nice Espiritu custom cue, and i believe it came with 2 shafts?

Why not just use those shafts instead of buying a OB1 or I2 or Z2, or Xshaft?

I mean if you wanted a aftermarket shaft hit/feel, you could have easily saved yourself alot of money and just bought the basic McDermott cue or Predator cue.

I've had a couple Espiritu cues and never had a problem applying english with the shaft that it came with.

Plus, whats the point of buying a CUSTOM cue, if you just going to go and put some after market predator, or xshaft on the cue?

It's like buying a Gilbert, or josswest, southwest, Scruggs, Hercek, or whatever custom cue maker and telling them to match a 314 shaft to the cue.

And dont give me the whole well, I cant get usta the shaft that comes with the cue crap. If that is the case then sell the Espiritu and go and buy a Predator cue, or a Tiger cue.
 
StormHotRod300 said:
Wimpy,

This is my thoughts on after market shafts. You just bought a very nice Espiritu custom cue, and i believe it came with 2 shafts?

Why not just use those shafts instead of buying a OB1 or I2 or Z2, or Xshaft?

I mean if you wanted a aftermarket shaft hit/feel, you could have easily saved yourself alot of money and just bought the basic McDermott cue or Predator cue.

I've had a couple Espiritu cues and never had a problem applying english with the shaft that it came with.

Plus, whats the point of buying a CUSTOM cue, if you just going to go and put some after market predator, or xshaft on the cue?

It's like buying a Gilbert, or josswest, southwest, Scruggs, Hercek, or whatever custom cue maker and telling them to match a 314 shaft to the cue.

And dont give me the whole well, I cant get usta the shaft that comes with the cue crap. If that is the case then sell the Espiritu and go and buy a Predator cue, or a Tiger cue.
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"It's like buying a Gilbert, or josswest, southwest, Scruggs, Hercek, or whatever custom cue maker and telling them to match a 314 shaft to the cue"


Isn't this what Ralf Souquet does with his Josswest? And many other pros to I think.

But that aside, I agree, if you bought a nice piece of work, try that for a while first, I wish I could afford something like that:mad: .

Billiardpete out
 
Don't want to sound as if I'm talking down to you, and I also want to make it clear that I'm not making any assumptions as to your level as a player. But, when we all started out, every one of us was looking for that 'miracle' cue or shaft that would improve our game by either helping us to apply more English, or the decrease deflection, help us draw better............whatever. Truth of the matter is, if you're simply looking for a way to be able to get more action (more English) on the ball, it will be found more in your stroke than in any particular type of shaft. Although there are some shafts that will decrease deflection, and yes, some shafts will produce a livelier CB, the majority of that extra English and less deflection isn't going to help your game drastically unless you already have the stroke to get enough English from a standard shaft like the ones that came with your Espiritu. I've played with several of his cues, and although from cue to cue, and maker to maker, there are differences between the way they deflect and they way they juice the CB...................I've never heard of a problem of not being able to get enough English on the ball.
dave
 
Wimpy said:
Hey people. I am in a tough situation here. I am deciding on what shaft to get for my new Russ Espiritu, and I would like to hear from your experience with your current shafts, or shafts you have used in the past. I want a shaft that puts enough spin on the cueball easily, and accurately. I heard that the McDermott I-2 shafts apply A LOT of spin, but can't confirm this myself. I was talking to Shawn Putnam when he was here in Los Angeles, and he told me some good things about his Tiger X shaft. The only aftermarket shaft I have used, is a 314-2 when I bought my 5K2. What do you guys think? Can you guys help me out a bit? Here's what I have in mind of purchasing:

McDermott I-2
Tiger X Shaft
OB-1
Universal
DP-R

If I can't decide, I'll just buy another 314-2.
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It is a widespread myth--but a myth just the same-- that different shafts give different spin.
 
mikepage said:
It is a widespread myth--but a myth just the same-- that different shafts give different spin.
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I agree, 100%!! I've never had trouble applying spin with any cue I've ever owned. For most people, it's learning how to not apply spin ie: unwanted english. I've never understood why an after market shaft is desirable.
 
Mechanics Mechanics Mechanics...

Tokyo-dave said:
Don't want to sound as if I'm talking down to you, and I also want to make it clear that I'm not making any assumptions as to your level as a player. But, when we all started out, every one of us was looking for that 'miracle' cue or shaft that would improve our game by either helping us to apply more English, or the decrease deflection, help us draw better............whatever. Truth of the matter is, if you're simply looking for a way to be able to get more action (more English) on the ball, it will be found more in your stroke than in any particular type of shaft. Although there are some shafts that will decrease deflection, and yes, some shafts will produce a livelier CB, the majority of that extra English and less deflection isn't going to help your game drastically unless you already have the stroke to get enough English from a standard shaft like the ones that came with your Espiritu. I've played with several of his cues, and although from cue to cue, and maker to maker, there are differences between the way they deflect and they way they juice the CB...................I've never heard of a problem of not being able to get enough English on the ball.
dave
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You have a good rep from me ! :) Having said all of that though I have to admit I have an I-2 ion one of my Cues and it is becoming my favorite but if your mechanics are off it will just make it harder to fix them! I do not believe the shaft will make up for a poor stroke period !
 
Pushout said:
I agree, 100%!! I've never had trouble applying spin with any cue I've ever owned. For most people, it's learning how to not apply spin ie: unwanted english. I've never understood why an after market shaft is desirable.
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I do not get it either. The local room owner was like look at this new (OB1) shaft! (As if he has been living under a rock for a while, and it's the latest and greatest thing on earth)

I'm not impressed, nor do I care. I will use any shaft, just give me a little while to get used to it. And that being said, I'll pass on wasting my money to replace something that isn't broken.
 
StormHotRod300 said:
Wimpy,

This is my thoughts on after market shafts. You just bought a very nice Espiritu custom cue, and i believe it came with 2 shafts?

Why not just use those shafts instead of buying a OB1 or I2 or Z2, or Xshaft?

I mean if you wanted a aftermarket shaft hit/feel, you could have easily saved yourself alot of money and just bought the basic McDermott cue or Predator cue.

I've had a couple Espiritu cues and never had a problem applying english with the shaft that it came with.

Plus, whats the point of buying a CUSTOM cue, if you just going to go and put some after market predator, or xshaft on the cue?

It's like buying a Gilbert, or josswest, southwest, Scruggs, Hercek, or whatever custom cue maker and telling them to match a 314 shaft to the cue.

And dont give me the whole well, I cant get usta the shaft that comes with the cue crap. If that is the case then sell the Espiritu and go and buy a Predator cue, or a Tiger cue.
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Well, to tell you the truth, I WAS thinking about the same thing yesterday as well. I like the shafts it came with. However I wanted to try something else with it. It's not like I can't get use to the shafts, it's just that I wanted to see what it would be like to have an aftermarket "high performance" shaft put on my cue. It's not like it will replace the other shafts for good either.
 
You should probably disregard all of these biased, unscientific posts about "all shaft are equal" with regard to spin. In fact, I recently had to go back to a custom shaft after using the OB-1 for a while, because it applied too much spin to the cue ball. I just have been using standard shafts for so long, that I have ingrained an overcompensation for the effects of squirt, deflection, and other things that the newer laminated shafts are built to decrease.

Truth of the matter is, I agree you should probably use your current custom shafts, but not because they are equal to the others, but for the fact that they are not.
 
Tokyo-dave said:
Don't want to sound as if I'm talking down to you, and I also want to make it clear that I'm not making any assumptions as to your level as a player. But, when we all started out, every one of us was looking for that 'miracle' cue or shaft that would improve our game by either helping us to apply more English, or the decrease deflection, help us draw better............whatever. Truth of the matter is, if you're simply looking for a way to be able to get more action (more English) on the ball, it will be found more in your stroke than in any particular type of shaft. Although there are some shafts that will decrease deflection, and yes, some shafts will produce a livelier CB, the majority of that extra English and less deflection isn't going to help your game drastically unless you already have the stroke to get enough English from a standard shaft like the ones that came with your Espiritu. I've played with several of his cues, and although from cue to cue, and maker to maker, there are differences between the way they deflect and they way they juice the CB...................I've never heard of a problem of not being able to get enough English on the ball.
dave
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I didn't say anything about me not being able to get enough english. I can draw almost 2 rails with this cue, and any other cue. Left and right english are ok as well. It's just that sometimes, when I do stroke a ball too hard (especially on a power draw), my follow through is going into the felt. This causes my shaft to bend a little, because I don't remove my bridge hand. I don't stroke it like I'm breaking either, if that's what you're thinking. I don't want anything happening to these shafts such as warping, so I'd rather buy another one and use it like that. I don't want to seem like I baby this cue a lot, it's because it's my first custom cue, and I want to keep it in top notch shape (for resell). My stroke is fine. Also, I am not looking for a "miracle" shaft that'll make me a better player. The only thing that can make me a better player is practice, and determination to become the best player I can be. This thread was to ask for opinions on which shaft applies the most spin, and have only gotten 1 opinion related to that subject.
 
belmicah said:
You should probably disregard all of these biased, unscientific posts about "all shaft are equal" with regard to spin. In fact, I recently had to go back to a custom shaft after using the OB-1 for a while, because it applied too much spin to the cue ball. I just have been using standard shafts for so long, that I have ingrained an overcompensation for the effects of squirt, deflection, and other things that the newer laminated shafts are built to decrease.

Truth of the matter is, I agree you should probably use your current custom shafts, but not because they are equal to the others, but for the fact that they are not.
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I understand what you are saying completely. I don't use my Predator anymore, because I couldn't get use to it so well. I was hoping there would be something better out there, that doesn't put me off my game like my 314-2 did. Thank you for posting with your thoughts.
 
Quite simply, shafts don't give the cue ball spin, it's the stroke along with the tip placement at the time of contact that gives spin to the cue ball.
Steve
 
Thanks Steve!

pooltchr said:
Quite simply, shafts don't give the cue ball spin, it's the stroke along with the tip placement at the time of contact that gives spin to the cue ball.
Steve
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Plain and Simple! :) is good!
 
alright i think what this guy's asking for is advice not a lecture. i think he should have stated all strokes being equal to his question. i've been reading this post and i see a lot of posts and no suggestions. i like the shaft that came with my cue but i always thought it was easier to move the cueball around with the 314-1. good luck wimpy
 
poolplayer2093 said:
i like the shaft that came with my cue but i always thought it was easier to move the cueball around with the 314-1. good luck wimpy
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Why? And a lot of the advice he got was to play with the shafts that came with the cue.
 
to answer your question...the shaft that is on the cue that you use with a good stroke, good tip, and perhaps good chalk.
 
I have 2 cues that seem to put more on the ball than others. One is a Prather with an OB-1 and a Talisman M. Ironically the other cue is a Prather sneaky pete with the Prather shaft and a one-piece tip (don't know what kind).

These compare with a Gilbert with a Gilbert shaft and a sniper, a Tiger-X with a sniper, 2 BCM's with Talismans, a Coker with a triangles, a Kornele with a Lepro, and a Whisler with a Moori M

I have no idea why the Prathers seem to have more spin, as the tip type, and tip diameter vary both between the 2 and all the others. ?????
 
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