Which Shot & Why?

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DrCue'sProtege

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i rolled the balls out last night and when they took their places i ended up with a layout like this. so i am just curious which way you posters would have played this shot? try and basically come straight across (Route A) or go some high right (Route B)? and if you would have chose Route A, how would you have struck the shot?

thoughts?

DCP

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DrCue'sProtege said:
i rolled the balls out last night and when they took their places i ended up with a layout like this. so i am just curious which way you posters would have played this shot? try and basically come straight across (Route A) or go some high right (Route B)? and if you would have chose Route A, how would you have struck the shot?

thoughts?

DCP

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Route A, low-center. I don't want low outside here, because that risks running into the 5 and getting bad on the 2. I don't want route B, because that would take a ton of spin on the ball to get it down to the end rail at that extreme of an angle, and all that high inside makes the shot a lot harder to make, for me.

-Andrew
 
A with just a touch of draw. 1/8 tip or so. I would not use B because it is better to stay on the vertical axis when possible. Also, B has potential for hitting the 4 if you don't spin it just right. Too much can go wrong with B. JMHO
 
See, to me this is a very good post. I am curious how some would run the rack.
1-2 stun draw as shown in A.
2-3 bottom right
but 3-4???

DCP, this is the type of post that adds value. Then set-up the table and try to run out as described by experts. Don't ask why you miss one of the shots. The though process is the important part here.
 
The nice thing about the draw shot is that it looks as though it couldn't scratch, because of the 5-ball position. But from that open angle I prefer natural english, in this case high right, to let the CB roll. There is also less chance of error and a larger landing area, so long as the CB passes the 4-ball. With the draw shot the CB has to thread the needle...

Doc
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
i rolled the balls out last night and when they took their places i ended up with a layout like this. so i am just curious which way you posters would have played this shot? try and basically come straight across (Route A) or go some high right (Route B)? and if you would have chose Route A, how would you have struck the shot?

thoughts?

DCP

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If A is where the CB is, then I don't think either shot works. You have to hit toward the rail to make the 1 ball (because the CB is farther from the rail), and there's too much risk of a double hit for either shot.

pj
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Snorks said:
See, to me this is a very good post. I am curious how some would run the rack.
1-2 stun draw as shown in A.
2-3 bottom right
but 3-4???

DCP, this is the type of post that adds value. Then set-up the table and try to run out as described by experts. Don't ask why you miss one of the shots. The though process is the important part here.
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3 to 4, that depends on the exact angle on the 3. If I'm close enough to it, and have the right angle, I'm drawing one rail toward where the 1 sits now. More angle or too much distance fro the draw to really dig in, and I'm following 3 rails, trying to end up near where the 2 sits now. Any shot at all on the 4, and I can probably fall well on the 5, so that's the saving grace to this fairly demanding positional shot.

-Andrew
 
Although I normally opt for the high inside when it's available, in this shot I like route A. However, I'd play it above the five ball rather than try to sneak under it. Its tight down there and you may end up with a steep angle on the 2 which will start the "bad position snowball" rolling. There is a large position zone above the 5 and it nicely allows for a controlled rebound off the long rail after shooting the 2.
 
Patrick

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I pretty much agree with you, except for shot on 5 would keep cue going uptable more than you show, and I don't like your angle on the 6 anyway, and why is the world would you want to be on the long rail with the cue to shoot the 7? Plus the 8 ball shot you are left with is one that can easily be missed, I would opt for better shape on the 6,7,8, and the 9 would be a cinch then. I know I am being a lil devil with the details, but players that don't consider those tiny details are the ones that don't get out when they should.

The perfect example would be that video of Mark Jarvis vs. Efren. Jarvis shot nonchalantly and didn't consider the little details of the run, and got in trouble, and lost the match. Case, in point.
 
Snapshot9 said:
I pretty much agree with you, except for shot on 5 would keep cue going uptable more than you show, and I don't like your angle on the 6 anyway, and why is the world would you want to be on the long rail with the cue to shoot the 7? Plus the 8 ball shot you are left with is one that can easily be missed, I would opt for better shape on the 6,7,8, and the 9 would be a cinch then. I know I am being a lil devil with the details, but players that don't consider those tiny details are the ones that don't get out when they should.

The perfect example would be that video of Mark Jarvis vs. Efren. Jarvis shot nonchalantly and didn't consider the little details of the run, and got in trouble, and lost the match. Case, in point.
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I left some imperfect shape in for reality's sake - but I don't assume the 7 is shot off the rail. I don't think the 8 can be "easily" missed, any more than lots of other shots in that layout. More importantly, I don't think getting better shape on the 8 is a gimme given the lie of the 5-6.

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Ahem!!!

Patrick Johnson said:
I left some imperfect shape in for reality's sake - but I don't assume the 7 is shot off the rail. I don't think the 8 can be "easily" missed, any more than lots of other shots in that layout. More importantly, I don't think getting better shape on the 8 is a gimme given the lie of the 5-6.

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I was just having a little fun with you Pat... LOL, but their is credence with some things I pointed out. I always preferred closer a little straighter shots for the 8. I do like your 'imperfect' spin for reality's sake though, that was good ... LOL Is that from the 'Never lett'm see you sweat' genre?? ROFL
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
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B is a terrible position route and should only be used if you MUST go that way or are practicing. Going forward with high inside and under 2 balls for position is asking for trouble.

A is the high percentage shot, but the side pocket is something to be aware of (in this case the 5 blocks it, so just be careful of running into the 5).

Straight draw with a medium stroke should get your position. A little left for some, or if the cue ball is a bit off the rail. You may or may not play 2 rails on this one. If you over hit it, you can also hook yourself on the 5.

Rating these shots in this scenario, I would say that shot A has a "B-" difficulty and shot "B" has a "B+" or "A-" difficulty.

-td
 
Snapshot9 said:
I pretty much agree with you, except for shot on 5 would keep cue going uptable more than you show, and I don't like your angle on the 6 anyway, and why is the world would you want to be on the long rail with the cue to shoot the 7? Plus the 8 ball shot you are left with is one that can easily be missed, I would opt for better shape on the 6,7,8, and the 9 would be a cinch then. I know I am being a lil devil with the details, but players that don't consider those tiny details are the ones that don't get out when they should.

The perfect example would be that video of Mark Jarvis vs. Efren. Jarvis shot nonchalantly and didn't consider the little details of the run, and got in trouble, and lost the match. Case, in point.
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I love that - I pretty much agree with you except the 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9. LOL Just made me laugh a little - thanks.

BVal
 
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