Which Valley is the 7 footer?
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master9baller
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7 foot
The 7 foot is the 93 the playing surface is 40 x 80 inches, The 88 is a 6.5 foot with a 37.5 x 75 inch playing surface. The 88 is the usual bar box size of old (the rounded silver corners remember). Now everything has gone to 7 foot mostly. The 101 is a 8 footer, but not a full sized 8 footer.
The 7 foot is the 93 the playing surface is 40 x 80 inches, The 88 is a 6.5 foot with a 37.5 x 75 inch playing surface. The 88 is the usual bar box size of old (the rounded silver corners remember). Now everything has gone to 7 foot mostly. The 101 is a 8 footer, but not a full sized 8 footer.
Then?
Then what about the 'oversized' 7 footer. You know, the ones in the Pool rooms that is 3.5" wider and 5.5" longer on the playing surface than the normal 7 footer?
Then what about the 'oversized' 7 footer. You know, the ones in the Pool rooms that is 3.5" wider and 5.5" longer on the playing surface than the normal 7 footer?
I didn't know they sized them that way.I do know that pool tables are sized like 2x4 lumber.They are not as big as advertized.A "7 foot" table is not quite 7 foot long and a typical "8 foot" table is smaller then 8'x4'.There were some true 8' tables made by Murray and possibly by other manufacturers (48 inches by 96 inches).I am suprised they don't size them like TV screens to make them sound even larger then they are.
They might as well. The diagonal measurements are much closer to stated size.
master9baller
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Valley sizing
Believe it or not they size by the outside length of the table. Bar owners want to know the size of the table to the room, don't worry about inside playing field. 88 is 6.5 feet, 37.5 X 75 inch playing surface, the 7 footer is 40 X80.
Believe it or not they size by the outside length of the table. Bar owners want to know the size of the table to the room, don't worry about inside playing field. 88 is 6.5 feet, 37.5 X 75 inch playing surface, the 7 footer is 40 X80.
A true 7ft table has a playing surface of 38"x76"....then along came the oversized 7ft with the 40"x80" playing surface, along with that came the 8ft 44"x88" playing surface.
master9baller
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table sizing
Remember the playing field is really 1/2 the quoted length minus the rail width. Then the playing field length is twice this.
Examples:
7 foot Valley or Diamond
3.5 feet = 42 inches minus 1" rails on the valleys equals 40 inches wide, double that for length = 80 inches. But 7 feet is 84 inches (just accept this and it will be easier). 3,200 square inches (22.2 square feet0
9 foot table
4.5 feet= 54 inches minus the 2 inch rails of a big table equals 50 inches,
double that for length = 100 inches. But 9 feet is 108 inches (just accept this as true again). Total square inched 5,000 inches (34.7 square feet)
The 88 inch tables are really 3.25 feet wide or 39 inches, minus the rails = about 37-37.5 inches, double that for length and you have 75 inches. Most lengths of the Valley 88's are ust short of 75 inches as I've measured. I have an 88 at home, just a bit smaller than a true 7 foot by 387.5 square inches or 2.7 square feet, which ain't alot. Total square inch surface area 2,813 (19.5 square feet)
Remember the playing field is really 1/2 the quoted length minus the rail width. Then the playing field length is twice this.
Examples:
7 foot Valley or Diamond
3.5 feet = 42 inches minus 1" rails on the valleys equals 40 inches wide, double that for length = 80 inches. But 7 feet is 84 inches (just accept this and it will be easier). 3,200 square inches (22.2 square feet0
9 foot table
4.5 feet= 54 inches minus the 2 inch rails of a big table equals 50 inches,
double that for length = 100 inches. But 9 feet is 108 inches (just accept this as true again). Total square inched 5,000 inches (34.7 square feet)
The 88 inch tables are really 3.25 feet wide or 39 inches, minus the rails = about 37-37.5 inches, double that for length and you have 75 inches. Most lengths of the Valley 88's are ust short of 75 inches as I've measured. I have an 88 at home, just a bit smaller than a true 7 foot by 387.5 square inches or 2.7 square feet, which ain't alot. Total square inch surface area 2,813 (19.5 square feet)
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I'll give you credit for trying to explain it, but here's the real way it works:
Take a 4 1/2' x 9ft for example.
It's 50" plus the width of the 2 side cushions being 2" each, that equals 54"...4 1/2" feet...by, now keep in mind...when you double something like this....the doubling includes the rails as well...so, 50" plus 4 cushions at 2" each equals 108" which equals 9ft'....except 2 of those cushions are ghost cushions meaning you can't add 4 cushions to the end rails...only 2, so it measures 100" plus 2 cushions at 2" each which equals 104" plus 2 more cushions at 2" each because of the doubling the width side to side remember?....so take that 104" of real length and add another 4" of ghost cushions and now you have 108"....9ft...so, 4 1/2' x 9'. Valley rails are wider than 1". The Valley 7ft measures from laminate to laminate 44" by 88"...now take away the cushions at 2" each, that drops you to 40"x80"....but a true 7ft has a playing surface of 38"x 76" as I stated before....what you're talking about is an over-sized 7ft, as with the Diamond's and everyone else that manufactures a 7ft bar box today....they're ALL over-sized 7ft's.
master9baller
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Yeah we're sayin the same thing, can't double the rails lengthwise because length is 2 x's width, unless we make 4" rails at the head and foot! We may be onto something.
If Valley rails aren't an inch they certain;y aren't alot more, not 2 inches for sure.
Yeah we're sayin the same thing, can't double the rails lengthwise because length is 2 x's width, unless we make 4" rails at the head and foot! We may be onto something.
If Valley rails aren't an inch they certain;y aren't alot more, not 2 inches for sure.
If I'm understanding your original post it's not complicated at all.
Valley 93 is a 7' table. Take a tape and measure outside edge end to end and it's 93"
The Valley 101 is an 8' table. Same same on measuring.
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valley pool table
I'm going to assume your shopping for a valley table, there is a model A or # 42,49,47, for 101" --model B or #32,39,37, for 93"-- model C or #22,29,27 for 88"---model D or #14 for 85"---model E or #12,19,17 for 78". Valley Tables came in makoru,birds eye maple,cheyenne lather,classic mahogany,sable maple.... The leopard is the only valley that I know of that came in 113 witch was there 9 footer that came in mahogany or striped mahogany and had a small LCD display in the rail on the D.C coin mech tables with a bill acceptor....many ways to ID a valley table...if you need help with one don't be afraid to ask.
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Rob.M
I'm going to assume your shopping for a valley table, there is a model A or # 42,49,47, for 101" --model B or #32,39,37, for 93"-- model C or #22,29,27 for 88"---model D or #14 for 85"---model E or #12,19,17 for 78". Valley Tables came in makoru,birds eye maple,cheyenne lather,classic mahogany,sable maple.... The leopard is the only valley that I know of that came in 113 witch was there 9 footer that came in mahogany or striped mahogany and had a small LCD display in the rail on the D.C coin mech tables with a bill acceptor....many ways to ID a valley table...if you need help with one don't be afraid to ask.
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Rob.M
Thanks for all the help! I am pretty sure I get it now. Now I need to think about it. On the one hand there are really only 7' bar boxes around here so it might be nice to practice on a similar table. On the other hand, I will obviously lose a lot of money on the 8' table. And if I had a third hand, I could fit a 9' table if I turned it the opposite way and get rid of the foosball table. Decisions, decisions.
master9baller
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Best advice
If you have a practice table that is what you predominately play on it will pay for itself in a season or two. If you can't decide on which one, go with the 9 footer because your game may eventually grow "into" the 9 foot table and the games that can be played upon it. Or get the best of both world's, buy both.
The valley here is an 88, 6.5 foot typical bar table series ZD5 (1995 as I remember). Stole it off EBAY for $472 two years ago, it's already paid for itself a few times over!
The other is a Gold Crown I (1962), $1000 with alot of extras, pays for itself every few months! My game has gone up significantly since I've had this table in my home.
If you have a practice table that is what you predominately play on it will pay for itself in a season or two. If you can't decide on which one, go with the 9 footer because your game may eventually grow "into" the 9 foot table and the games that can be played upon it. Or get the best of both world's, buy both.
The valley here is an 88, 6.5 foot typical bar table series ZD5 (1995 as I remember). Stole it off EBAY for $472 two years ago, it's already paid for itself a few times over!
The other is a Gold Crown I (1962), $1000 with alot of extras, pays for itself every few months! My game has gone up significantly since I've had this table in my home.
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zymmer4
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7 ft
I bought a 7 ft Connley table, made in AZ. It cost me $2400 with somonis felt and good rails, but it played so fine..and was the same size as the Charlie Cougar valley tables at match-Ups where I play. It is a reproduction of the old Ball and Claw legged tables of yore..and beautifully made with two piece 1 inch slate.
I bought a 7 ft Connley table, made in AZ. It cost me $2400 with somonis felt and good rails, but it played so fine..and was the same size as the Charlie Cougar valley tables at match-Ups where I play. It is a reproduction of the old Ball and Claw legged tables of yore..and beautifully made with two piece 1 inch slate.