Who is going to win the 2023 Mosconi Cup?

Who wins Mosconi Cup 2023


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The way I interpret these stats is:

1) The lag, to me, is meaningless except in double hill matches. In all other matches, the team that "breaks serve" more times than the other wins.

2) There are about four double hill matches per Mosconi Cup and the winner of the lag will win, on average, 2.72 of those racks. This would seem to suggest that relative to the double hill break being meaningless, winning the lag is worth .72 match wins per Mosconi Cup.

Hence, ignoring any psychological/momentum value of the lag, I have, and always will believe that the lag is fairly trivial at the Mosconi and it should not be emphasized in training, especially because players are not permitted to warm up on the Mosconi stream table anyway.

That said, all good players must do what it takes to develop general speed control skills, and the refinement of those skills will translate to success at the lag.
I believe it was on the last day of the 2018 Mosconi Cup when it looked as if the lag was going to be everything. Ouschan vs Woodward, Ouschan won the lag and then broke and ran games 1, 3, 5, and 7. Woodward countered with 3 B&R and 1 other win, but with Ouschan getting the final break I was bracing myself for the inevitable.

But then Ouschan came up dry, and Woodward parlayed a spectacular jump shot into a hill-hill win. Maybe the most dramatic Mosconi Cup match I've ever seen.

The final rack. My memory was slightly off. Ouschan didn't break dry, but after the break he was snookered on the 1 ball.
 
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euro fans are gonna roast fedor to the point that he'll wish he'd moved to mars
If they do roast him, they'll show their lack of class. He didn't ask, but was asked, to play for Team USA, despite having qualified for Team Europe.

Lest we forget, Fedor's world caved in on him. He said goodbye to a country in which his parents, relatives, friends and coach live. He was discriminated against by the deplorable decision of WPA to make him ineligible for sanctioned events for close to six months. Having had the choice between returning to a country in chaos or trying to carve out a new life somewhere else, he took the more sensible path.

He's a workaholic and a good role model in our sport, and his is a great human-interest story. I'd be rooting for Fedor to succeed no matter which team he represented. I wish him every success as he navigates a very tricky path to having a stable life.
 
I believe it was on the last day of the 2018 Mosconi Cup when it looked as if the lag was going to be everything. Ouschan vs Woodward, Ouschan won the lag and then broke and ran games 1, 3, 5, and 7. Woodward countered with 3 B&R and 1 other win, but with Ouschan getting the final break I was bracing myself for the inevitable.

But then Ouschan came up dry, and Woodward parlayed a spectacular jump shot into a hill-hill win. Maybe the most dramatic Mosconi Cup match I've ever seen.

The final rack. My memory was slightly off. Ouschan didn't break dry, but after the break he was snookered on the 1 ball.
I'd, similarly, call it the greatest ever Mosconi match that I've seen.
 
If they do roast him, they'll show their lack of class. He didn't ask, but was asked, to play for Team USA, despite having qualified for Team Europe.

Lest we forget, Fedor's world caved in on him. He said goodbye to a country in which his parents, relatives, friends and coach live. He was discriminated against by the deplorable decision of WPA to make him ineligible for sanctioned events for close to six months. Having had the choice between returning to a country in chaos or trying to carve out a new life somewhere else, he took the more sensible path.

He's a workaholic and a good role model in our sport, and his is a great human-interest story. I'd be rooting for Fedor to succeed no matter which team he represented. I wish him every success as he navigates a very tricky path to having a stable life.
Couldn't agree more!
 
If they do roast him, they'll show their lack of class. He didn't ask, but was asked, to play for Team USA, despite having qualified for Team Europe.

Lest we forget, Fedor's world caved in on him. He said goodbye to a country in which his parents, relatives, friends and coach live. He was discriminated against by the deplorable decision of WPA to make him ineligible for sanctioned events for close to six months. Having had the choice between returning to a country in chaos or trying to carve out a new life somewhere else, he took the more sensible path.

He's a workaholic and a good role model in our sport, and his is a great human-interest story. I'd be rooting for Fedor to succeed no matter which team he represented. I wish him every success as he navigates a very tricky path to having a stable life.
I certainly agree with this, Stu, and I hope Gorst has a terrific Cup this year. But I'd still rather see this:

Van Boening plays perfect pool to defeat Filler in captain's choice match to break 10-10 tie,

removing one more monkey from the oft Cup-plagued SVB.
 
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Can I cast a vote for :: "Who cares"

Mosconi Cup: More like NASCAR
Match Room: More like F1 Wolds Driver Championship.
 
I certainly agree with this, Stu, and I hope Gorst has a terrific Cup this year. But I'd still rather see this:

Van Boening plays perfect pool to defeat Filler in captain's choice match to break 10-10 tie,

removing one more monkey from the oft Cup-plagued SVB.
That's also a scenario to dream about. Well said.
 
If they do roast him, they'll show their lack of class. He didn't ask, but was asked, to play for Team USA, despite having qualified for Team Europe.

Lest we forget, Fedor's world caved in on him. He said goodbye to a country in which his parents, relatives, friends and coach live. He was discriminated against by the deplorable decision of WPA to make him ineligible for sanctioned events for close to six months. Having had the choice between returning to a country in chaos or trying to carve out a new life somewhere else, he took the more sensible path.

He's a workaholic and a good role model in our sport, and his is a great human-interest story. I'd be rooting for Fedor to succeed no matter which team he represented. I wish him every success as he navigates a very tricky path to having a stable life.

ye i get all that, but it's the cup and he's gonna have to fade it. after four days everybody's gonna love him again.
 
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ye i get all that, but it's the cup and he's gonna have to fade it. after four days everybody's gonna love him again.
Of course, you're right. If they roast him just because he's a member of the opposition and comparably to other members of Team USA, that's all in good fun and good sport. If it goes beyond that, it will be a shame.
 
I hope Fedor calls a foul on himself to cost him the match. However it does not cost Team USA the win.

All eyes on Fedor and crowd reactions are interesting to plan for. Respectfully support Fedor and being tasteful with distracting him, I hope Emily has extra security and makes sure the crowd acts right.

Fedor is the victim of the WPA actions and pool fans should note it at Mosconi.
 
Remember how Jeremy Jones played at times, even though he was captain and wasnt supposed to play? Crazy things can and will happen!
 
If any Europeans are down on Fedor for accepting Team USA's offer, they should take it out on Vladimir Putin.

No Russian invasion, Gorst plays for Team Europe.
 
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Make no mistake,about it. Europe has the better overall team, and should win. I just hope its competitive and I’m happy to see Fedor playing for USA
 
Not in this thread. If the subject matter didn't interest you, why did you open it in the first place?
Because a conversation amongst people should not be based on already agreeing with the topic under discussion.

This should be expanded::

Do you think the crowd at a given pool tournament should be quite and respectful of the players or loud and rambunctious like in basketball ??
I happen to be of the opinion that the crowd should be quiet and respectful like in a chess tournament (or Snooker)
 
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Do you think the crowd at a given pool tournament should be quite and respectful of the players or loud and rambunctious like in basketball ??
Good question. Certainly, the etiquette is different at the Mosconi Cup, where it's almost expected of the fans to be rowdy.
I happen to be of the opinion that the crowd should be quiet and respectful like in a chess tournament (or Snooker)
Yes, that should be the norm. The Mosconi level energy wouldn't work year round.
 
For this to be the greatest ever Mosconi Cup, here's the script.

Gorst vs Filler in Captain's choice match to break 10-10 tie
I wanna see Gorst V Shaw, and the shit talk that will precede that match. I don' think I'd lay any money on the main tournament tbh, but I'd certainly be putting a little on that match up in different circles. Would be absolutely golden craic.
 
Good question. Certainly, the etiquette is different at the Mosconi Cup, where it's almost expected of the fans to be rowdy.

Yes, that should be the norm. The Mosconi level energy wouldn't work year round.
Part of what makes Mosconi for me is this change in attitude. It's a bit like snooker shoot-out. Adds to the drama and excitement. I think the Mosconi fans generally are respectful and quiet when it counts. It's certainly a new psychological battle for players which becomes almost as interesting to watch as the pool.
 
I’ve been watching the videos Molina Mike has been posting of team USA training…Shane Wolford looks unplayable. Complete deer in the headlights look.

It’s also crazy to me how little Team USA communicates when practicing scotch doubles.
 
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