Who is the #1 most in demand cue maker in the world today?

[albu]

Pssst. There's a flaw in the MOP. Plus no trim rings.

Chrysler/Maserati maybe.

What flaw?.....Ah rings,you right,but is a LTD,and the secret is inside :wink:
Anyway im good with Chrysler/Maserati

Maybe now somone will show a newer "lamborghini" ?I'm desperate to see some new high-end cues....but it looks people stop to post their new arrivals,or not?

 

[kvinbrwr]

From a killer hoppe bushka, to Herceks monster roman them cue that was over 20k. In between I had a beautiful Barry and stunning searing. Both of those cues were gorgeous, but played better than they looked, IMO. The only cue maker of importance that I wanted to own was Tony at BB. I finally settled on a Gina about 7 years ago after playing with a similar Gina for the 2 years before. So, IMO, Ernie makes the best cues considering style, playability and cost.

But, there is no denying that the 2 most sought after cues from living cue makers are Dennis, first and Barry 2nd, with hercek a close third. Part of what makes Barry so much in demand is the connection to Gus. I wonder what his career would have looked like had he not been his son. Id guess very different.

Barry himself is the first to say that riding on dad's coat tails thing. The contribution Gus has made to Barry's career is obvious. However, I think Barry's contribution to his dad's legacy and tradition, and even values, is often overlooked. I think much of what is now Gus legend is due to Barry's careful preservation of the tradition. Its as interesting a dynamic as I've seen in collectibles and Barry has done great by his dad, in in return, for himself, and now hopefully for Jimmy.

While we are on the hypotheticals. What if Ernie never came back to cue making and Paul Newman handed Cruise a Gina in The Color of Money like it was the Holy Grail. Would those 60s Gina Dominos all be 8K cues today?

 

[kvinbrwr]

What flaw?.....Ah rings,you right,but is a LTD,and the secret is inside :wink:
Anyway im good with Chrysler/Maserati

Maybe now somone will show a newer "lamborghini" ?I'm desperate to see some new high-end cues....but it looks people stop to post their new arrivals,or not?

I'm all nutty for rings all of a sudden and everything has to be all A,B,C.D.E &F for me for some reason. Pay no attention to me.

I'd love to show you the Gina Cathedral cues, but Ernie (in respect to the wishes of the collector) asked me not to.

Guys post KILLER Black Boars every once in awhile.

Kevin

 

[albu]

I'm all nutty for rings all of a sudden and everything has to be all A,B,C.D.E &F for me for some reason. Pay no attention to me.

I'd love to show you the Gina Cathedral cues, but Ernie (in respect to the wishes of the collector) asked me not to.

Guys post KILLER Black Boars every once in awhile.

Kevin

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[albu]

I'm all nutty for rings all of a sudden and everything has to be all A,B,C.D.E &F for me for some reason. Pay no attention to me.

I'd love to show you the Gina Cathedral cues, but Ernie (in respect to the wishes of the collector) asked me not to.

Guys post KILLER Black Boars every once in awhile.

Kevin

I found this pics on the internet,does this have something to do with the Cathedral cue?
Is hard to follow from here really

 

[NYC cue dude]

Good post

Barry himself is the first to say that riding on dad's coat tails thing. The contribution Gus has made to Barry's career is obvious. However, I think Barry's contribution to his dad's legacy and tradition, and even values, is often overlooked. I think much of what is now Gus legend is due to Barry's careful preservation of the tradition. Its as interesting a dynamic as I've seen in collectibles and Barry has done great by his dad, in in return, for himself, and now hopefully for Jimmy.

While we are on the hypotheticals. What if Ernie never came back to cue making and Paul Newman handed Cruise a Gina in The Color of Money like it was the Holy Grail. Would those 60s Gina Dominos all be 8K cues today?

Surely, Barry's utilization of Gus' records has enabled the szamboti brand to attain truly legendary status. Not only has Barry been a fabulous gate keeper, he was able to forge ahead and create quite a name for himself. One that would be relatively obscure without that benefit. There's another cue maker out there who made a shrewd business move and had access to the "legacy" of another famous cue maker when he bought his shop. I suspect that without that, he wouldn't be as sought after, either.

I think guys like tony, Ernie, and Dennis have made it the hard way. Without advertising and the benefit of a media push/explosion. These guys earned their reputations through nothing but word of mouth, playability and artistic expression. Think about it. Real grassroots stuff.

 

[kvinbrwr]

Surely, Barry's utilization of Gus' records has enabled the szamboti brand to attain truly legendary status. Not only has Barry been a fabulous gate keeper, he was able to forge ahead and create quite a name for himself. One that would be relatively obscure without that benefit. There's another cue maker out there who made a shrewd business move and had access to the "legacy" of another famous cue maker when he bought his shop. I suspect that without that, he wouldn't be as sought after, either.

I think guys like tony, Ernie, and Dennis have made it the hard way. Without advertising and the benefit of a media push/explosion. These guys earned their reputations through nothing but word of mouth, playability and artistic expression. Think about it. Real grassroots stuff.

You are absolutely right and I do think about this stuff. Its total grassroots, word of mouth and outside of some very very scarce examples, with zero advertising or promotion. Its folk art for sure.

The only factor that seems to be a wild card to me is Lucky. I don't know which end he is, the cart or the horse, but it really does seem to me that his interest or lack of it in any maker's goods can have a profound (maybe this should all be past tense) effect on the supply/demand/value equation.

Kevin

 

[kvinbrwr]

I found this pics on the internet,does this have something to do with the Cathedral cue?
Is hard to follow from here really

Yikes, those are them, more or less (not my pic) but I do know where it was taken. A little "busy" for my taste, I mean, come on he's got arches in the damn joints. One thing this pic does not capture is the dimensional nature of the design. There are spots where they feel 3-D, as if you are standing in an entry way. They were very very very very very expensive. Very.

Kevin

 

[albu]

Yikes, those are them, more or less (not my pic) but I do know where it was taken. A little "busy" for my taste, I mean, come on he's got arches in the damn joints. One thing this pic does not capture is the dimensional nature of the design. There are spots where they feel 3-D, as if you are standing in an entry way.

Kevin

One thing is for sure,Ernie is a grandmaster without a doubt,in search for this pics of -cathedral cues,i was going thru my saved pics from the net,and it was non stop oh look this one,oh i forgot that one,oh this one was my favorite,oh look this one was also my favorite,and so on......he made a million super nice cues :thumbup:

 

[NYC cue dude]

Lucky isn't a crystal ball gazer

You are absolutely right and I do think about this stuff. Its total grassroots, word of mouth and outside of some very very scarce examples, with zero advertising or promotion. Its folk art for sure.

The only factor that seems to be a wild card to me is Lucky. I don't know which end he is, the cart or the horse, but it really does seem to me that his interest or lack of it in any maker's goods can have a profound (maybe this should all be past tense) effect on the supply/demand/value equation.

Kevin

There are some very wealthy people in the art world who recognize artistic talent before an artist is discovered. They get them started through financial support while obtaining a percentage of the future art sold. Lucky is different in that he isn't buying cue from unknown cue makers. He's no king maker. He's not speculating, either. He's getting access to these already established guys and commissioning monster works. He's making these makers a lot of money while forcing them to push the envelope and return, raising the collectibility of the brand while he's got possession of their best works. Or another way to put it, Lucky has a lot of money, and throws it at his hobby. He's created quite a collection and because he's done it as I described above, he's cornered the market on the most sought after and desirable cues that have ever been made.

 

[kvinbrwr]

One thing is for sure,Ernie is a grandmaster without a doubt,in search for this pics of -cathedral cues,i was going thru my saved pics from the net,and it was non stop oh look this one,oh i forgot that one,oh this one was my favorite,oh look this one was also my favorite,and so on......he made a million super nice cues :thumbup:

Yeah he's very good at it. Last time we talked about it (he's in the midst of his 50th Anniversary batch now) he was talking about maybe slowing down (I've heard it all before but...) and making maybe a cue or 2 a month. He always listens and shakes his head when I tell him that Searing or Szam or Hercek maybe make 12-15 cues a year, but you can always see the wheels turning. One thing for sure, if he does end up in that type of production it will be 12 MONSTER cues a year out of that shop. Like I said, I've heard it from him before, and then 3 weeks later he's off and running on some 40 cue batch. So we will see.

Just his last batch, where he wouldn't take any under 5K cue orders, you could see his creativity freed up and expressed quite a bit in what came out. I don't quite understand how it happened however. I know the theory was that he would be freer because the batch wouldn't have him grinding out twenty-five 17 and 19As, but even without them, he still had a 40 cue batch.

 

[kvinbrwr]

There are some very wealthy people in the art world who recognize artistic talent before an artist is discovered. They get them started through financial support while obtaining a percentage of the future art sold. Lucky is different in that he isn't buying cue from unknown cue makers. He's no king maker. He's not speculating, either. He's getting access to these already established guys and commissioning monster works. He's making these makers a lot of money while forcing them to push the envelope and return, raising the collectibility of the brand while he's got possession of their best works. Or another way to put it, Lucky has a lot of money, and throws it at his hobby. He's created quite a collection and because he's done it as I described above, he's cornered the market on the most sought after and desirable cues that have ever been made.

That's a very interesting overview. Thanks for it.

Kevin

 

[YubaCushion]

Eric

Go light a candle in the closet Lambo bandwagen boy. Lambos not even in the car HOF. Ford is:

Anybody that spends more is delusional. How many suitcases can you stuff in that Lambo? Nuff said.

Kevin

That cats not tired, he shot himself after being subjected to your bad sense of humor.
If I had the $$$ you guys think i'm jealous of (Don't hate, congratulate.) by the way, I wouldn't waste it waiting 10 years for a cue that I can have for half as much in 6 months to a year. I would travel around playing pool (something you guys should do more of other than jerking off over your cues.) collecting old Brunswick Rambows.
And I would do it in that Ford van. After I put a new 351 in it.

 

[skins]

......This was at the same time I would visit with Gus Szamboti on Friday Nights at the Ball Room. I asked him the same question, and he said,"Pete 'the Cop' Tascarella." Who's going to argue with "The Gusser"?........

I wouldn't argue with Gus either.....

 

[Palm Beacher]

except the day you get it, it's worth double!!!

 

[Palm Beacher]

good show William, hope all is well. RMF

 

[cajunfats]

Oldie But Goodie

Ferrari sucks, Lambos are the real car!!!! There is a on going war between the Ferrari and Lambo guys. Since its Concorso weekend in Monteray I must speak about cars for a moment.

my next toy(i'm #1 on the list):

http://www.lamborghini.com/en/model...ns/aventador-lp720-4-50-anniversario/gallery/

Ferrari-lol


Back to cues.....

I was walking one evening in Pforzheim, Germany with my first ex-wife, and we happened on a man with a beautiful black Lambo. He opened it up to let me look inside, and let me get in the drivers seat. OMG!!! I wanted to beg him to take me out on the autobahn!!!! No Luck.

cajunfats

 

[Fatboy]

I was walking one evening in Pforzheim, Germany with my first ex-wife, and we happened on a man with a beautiful black Lambo. He opened it up to let me look inside, and let me get in the drivers seat. OMG!!! I wanted to beg him to take me out on the autobahn!!!! No Luck.

cajunfats

Great pic, beatiful car!!!!

I have one of those too, I had 2 of them and sold one last year-$100K. Mine isnt as rare as that one the 5000 is a much more expensive car. I have a 25th anniversary a bit newer.

FWIW you didnt miss anything driving them, i drove mine 2 times. i'd rather walk its easier. they look amazing but driving the old Lambos is brutal.

The one I kept is red/tan and has never been driven, its brand new. one of the few brand new ones left in the world.

I been a Lambo guy since i first saw them,
Didnt get one until 99, I had to buy one before I ever drove one,

I have 4 now, most I ever had at once was 7, I had a tattoo of the bull on my back but it had to go for a different tattoo(i miss it).

the Lambo days were fun, they are the worst cars ever to meet girls, they are the funest thing on 4 wheels to drive tho(97 Diablos and newer). if you want to meet girls the Ferrari's are the best sports car, Roll Royce make it just too easy to meet girls-not the girls you want to keep tho


back to cues, im board with cars...

 

[YubaCushion]

Great pic, beatiful car!!!!

I have one of those too, I had 2 of them and sold one last year-$100K. Mine isnt as rare as that one the 5000 is a much more expensive car. I have a 25th anniversary a bit newer.

FWIW you didnt miss anything driving them, i drove mine 2 times. i'd rather walk its easier. they look amazing but driving the old Lambos is brutal.

The one I kept is red/tan and has never been driven, its brand new. one of the few brand new ones left in the world.

I been a Lambo guy since i first saw them,
Didnt get one until 99, I had to buy one before I ever drove one,

I have 4 now, most I ever had at once was 7, I had a tattoo of the bull on my back but it had to go for a different tattoo(i miss it).

the Lambo days were fun, they are the worst cars ever to meet girls, they are the funest thing on 4 wheels to drive tho(97 Diablos and newer). if you want to meet girls the Ferrari's are the best sports car, Roll Royce make it just too easy to meet girls-not the girls you want to keep tho


back to cues, im board with cars...

My "facts" have been a little shaky lately, but I understand that the guy who started Lamborghini was a former Ferrari owner who was screwed over and started his own company.

 

[Fatboy]

My "facts" have been a little shaky lately, but I understand that the guy who started Lamborghini was a former Ferrari owner who was screwed over and started his own company.

the Lambo guy built tractors, Enzo Ferrari(the guy who founded Ferrari) and the Lambo guy(cant recall his name im tired) got into a pissing contest on who could build the fastest car. I believe the whole story is on Lambocars.com<----best lambo site on the internet, the story is there.

Ferrari is much more refined car with a rich deep racing history, and Ferrari owners are more the "Connoisseur's of gracious living crowd"

Lambo people are more the FU $$ guys, kinda rough around the edges, I have owned Ferrari's as well. Lambo had dabbled in racing but its 2% of what Ferrari has done.

they are very different cars, from the same area of Italy.