who said something about fran crimi?

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accdealer

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I read all of the threads here in this forum and once in a while I chirp in with my two cents if I can be tasteful in doing so. Anyhow, once in a while I step out of line and here might be one of those times.

Seems to me that someone recently posted a message about asking Fran Crimi for an autograph and she stuck her nose up at him. I don't know who it was, but I am assuming that whoever you are you can play a little bit. My question to you is, after she turned her back on you, why didn't you offer her the 7 out and tell her she can bet what she wants?

When I was a younger aspiring player, I saw her playing on ESPN and for the first time in my adolescent years wondered to myself, "Why couldn't I be a woman? At least I could play pool on ESPN." Here I am almost 20 years later, 5 speeds better than I was then, and still nowhere close to being able to play pool on ESPN without a sex change.

At least today there are a handful of women to lend credability to the women's tour.

Was my post rude? Well you have to look at it relatively. Compared to the shitslinging by the folks that recently got thrown off, no. Compared to Fran Crimi, of all people, not signing an autograph for a fan that actually wanted one, not in the slightest bit.
 
I thought you said every thing very well. And who knows, if yoiu ever decide to have the stem taken off the apple.
We might see you on ESPN. (just kidding )
 
Although it sounds very rude what Fran did (if it is true), I would never judge a person by one bad gesture.

I've read some of her posts on other boards, and she doesn't really sound like a rude person to me.

I have to admit, I do think alot of female pro players are not very good, but when Karen or Allison are in the zone, they can hold their own against alot of the men, not including the champions (IMO).
 
Accdealer,

Fran was at the Expo as a representative for whoever she was representing.

My friend was there as a company owner, a cuemaker, a buyer.

Fran was giving lessons on her sponsors table.

My friend was on the table when she snubbed him.

Rest assured that he did not ask Fran for an autograph nor a picture.

My friend did not buy anything at that booth.

And who the hell gives a rip that she can give someone the 7? BFD! When has she won more than one match at a tournament?She was there to represent a company; not to alienate a potential customer. My friend can't play worth a lick - but I sure would not want to match bank accounts with him.

Jake
 
I don't really think professional poolplayers have an obligation to be nice to everyone. Perhaps she was in a bad mood and she got rubbed the wrong way? You never know, and I don't understand what the big deal is.
 
When the autograph incident occurred, Fran must have been in the middle of something. I have never heard of anything untoward about Fran, although she does seem to be very opinionated in some posts I have read, but so what? So is everybody else.

I am always stunned when I hear opinions from a select few who criticize pool players because a pro didn't drop everything to immediately give someone an autograph or the pro talked during the match with the sole intent of sharking the opponent or the pro takes too long to shoot and that is a shark or the pool player takes too long to think between shots and they are boring to watch and, one of my favorites, the pro must not be able to shoot pool anymore because they aren't winning any tournaments and they're all washed up.

Most pro players I know are very accommodating and will sign autographs and pose for pictures, but timing is everything. It isn't a good thing to ask a pro for their autograph when they are in the middle of a clinic or ask a pro if they would pose for a picture right before a tournament match.

ManlyShot
 
Hey guys,

There was no autograph incident.

It never got to that stage.

She snubbed him before he had a chance to ask for a picture.

Whatever the reason, when she is working for someone else, she should leave her problems at the front door. That goes for all pros who want to be paid representatives to a manufacturer.

The Expo was not open to the general public - it was only open to the trade. People in the trade do not want to be treated like trash.

And yes, when a pro is hired by a manufacturer to work his booth, it is his/her job to be nice to the people. If they are there to pass out pictures and sign autographs, then by God they better be prepared to do that. If they can't, or won't do that, then what the hell does the manufacturer need them for? To scare away potential buyers?

Jake
 
jjinfla said:
Hey guys, There was no autograph incident. It never got to that stage.

And yes, when a pro is hired by a manufacturer to work his booth, it is his/her job to be nice to the people. If they are there to pass out pictures and sign autographs, then by God they better be prepared to do that. If they can't, or won't do that, then what the hell does the manufacturer need them for? To scare away potential buyers?
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Jake, you are absolutely correct (IMO) about sponsored pro pool players. If the manufacturer is sponsoring a pro pool player and the pro pool player is at an exhibition representing the manufacturer, then I do believe it is that pro pool player's responsibility to be responsive to fans, potential customers, and the like.

Maybe Fran woke up on the wrong side of the bed that day. I wasn't there and only comment as to the generalization of Fran's actions.

It is rather amusing to hear opinions from the rail, though, like Johnny Archer shoots too slow (even though Johnny is credited by Ripley's TV show for running two racks in 2 minutes and 46 seconds against Jeremy Jones, 2003 U.S. Open champion), young Corey must be all washed up because he now plays golf and doesn't practice pool, Earl complains about the rules and should keep his mouth shut, Keith intentionally sharked his opponents at the Open responding to the cheering crowd, Karen Corr can't play pool as good as the guys and never will, Kid Delicious should lose some weight, Ronnie Allen doesn't deserve Hall of Fame recognition, and now Fran snubbed a potential customer/fan when she was at an exhibition.

Pro pool players play too fast, play too slow, talk too much, don't talk enough, according to the rail. The bottom line is that they are not perfect, they are just human beings like the rest of us (IMO), with good days and bad days, and they will never please everybody.

ManlyShot
 
manlyshot said:
Pro pool players play too fast, play too slow, talk too much, don't talk enough, according to the rail. The bottom line is that they are not perfect, they are just human beings like the rest of us (IMO), with good days and bad days, and they will never please everybody.

ManlyShot
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Well said. Nobody should be judged on a single incident (we all have bad days) and being a pro doesn't mean that a person can't have a personality, even if it's a slightly abrasive one.

I'll just add that I've met Fran Crimi and she was very friendly to me, and gave me some pointers that literally improved my game overnight. I plan to take lessons with her in the near future.

-CF
 
manlyshot said:
It is rather amusing to hear opinions from the rail, though, like Johnny Archer shoots too slow (even though Johnny is credited by Ripley's TV show for running two racks in 2 minutes and 46 seconds against Jeremy Jones, 2003 U.S. Open champion), young Corey must be all washed up because he now plays golf and doesn't practice pool, Earl complains about the rules and should keep his mouth shut, Keith intentionally sharked his opponents at the Open responding to the cheering crowd, Karen Corr can't play pool as good as the guys and never will, Kid Delicious should lose some weight, Ronnie Allen doesn't deserve Hall of Fame recognition, and now Fran snubbed a potential customer/fan when she was at an exhibition.
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You would not find it too amusing if you would just realize that it is all Charlie Williams' fault.
 
Skeezicks said:
You would not find it too amusing if you would just realize that it is all Charlie Williams' fault.
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Skeezicks, you are right. Discriminatory practices, legally binding contracts, favoritism, and taking a free ride on the UPA train with seeds and byes and paid expenses aren't amusing characteristics, especially coming from a self-appointed young non-pool veteran who couldn't possibly be cognizant of how older veteran pool players feel, the same veteran pool players who have experienced the very same pool politics in the past and witnessed the destruction of pool.

ManlyShot
 
jjinfla said:

.....my friend was on the table when she snubbed him...
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Here's Jake's original post slightly snipped:

jjinfla said:
.....And he got snubbed by Fran Crimi. She had him shoot a couple shots on the table at the booth she was at for his "instant lesson" and told him 'you came up on those shots". I guess the way she said it wasn't exactly very tactful. Then when he tried another shot and turned around she had walked off without saying anything. So he didn't get me Fran's signed picture. His comment: "FTB - get your own picture." LOL
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FTB? Real nice Jake.

Jake,

Did it ever occur to you that she may have been called away?

Do you think this supposed "snub" is important enough to post on this forum?

Have you ever walked into a bar or poolhall and had 3 people talking to you at once?

Did the 2 that you could not respond to post disparaging remarks on the internet about how you "snubbed" them?

She walked away without ok'ing it with your friend? Big freakin' deal.

The only time I met Fran she went out of her way to be nice to me so I can only know what I have experienced. Even though Fran can be opinionated I think she has a lot of class.

I think you owe her an apology. JMO
 
Hell Grem, We could do that well against Karen. I guess it was winner breaks and Karen just kept breaking and running out.

And no I didn't put a curse on her, if I would have done that then she would have lost all her cues on the way over, or got an easy bye in a tournament and lost. Now that would be a curse.

I have nothing against Fran I just relayed an incident that occurred. But every now and again she does have long wordy posts that tend to be the FL type.

I first heard of her about 5 or so years ago when she was a contributing writer for BD and I would read her articles. Then one article she really went off the deep end. I think it was her next to last article and then she left BD. And she posts on BD. So ever since I would follow her progress on the WPBA tour. But other than that I have no interest in her. Nor do I mean her any harm.

Jake
 
The reason I stopped reading or posting on BD's board was because of the constant hero worshiping of certain pro players who posted on that board. It was like everyone in that little clique was waiting for those golden words posted by their mentor and would not hear any difference of opinions. Most of that clique centered from a NY faction. And even I who live in NY and played in many of the rooms they played in was expected to fall in line. And to whom? I
mean we wern't talking about Barbara Streisand here, who I think has a great voice but dislike as a person. But some one who I might beat on the table on a good day.
I think we have to talk about pro behavior. I hear Earl is trying harder to be more cooperative. He has said so. But he is a genius and champion on the green. And it is so nice to see Keith get his act together. I think this stems from fan support and CRITISICM. Just my opinion.
 
Having superior skills in anything has nothing to do with what kind of person you are. Fran Crimi could be the best player in the world and a miserable human being at the same time. We should admire players who are skillful for their ability only. We should not put anyone on a pedestal as a human being no matter what kind of physical skills they have. We have this perverted need in this country to assume that great atheletes are all wonderful people.

Another thing, some of the greatest atheletes have no clue how anyone else should improve their skills because they are naturally gifted and can't relate that well to people that do not have that innate ability. So you're right Yobagua, some of these "pros" don't necessarily know it all. And, notice I said some not all.
 
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