Who was/is the greatest cueist of all time

who is the greatest cueist of all time

  • Willie Mosconi

    Votes: 17 17.9%
  • Ralph Greeleaf

    Votes: 12 12.6%
  • Efren Reyes

    Votes: 32 33.7%
  • Walter Lindrum

    Votes: 10 10.5%
  • Willie Hoppe

    Votes: 3 3.2%
  • Luther "Wimpy" Lassiter

    Votes: 2 2.1%
  • Steve Davis

    Votes: 4 4.2%
  • Stephen Hendry

    Votes: 5 5.3%
  • Welker Cochran

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • me :D

    Votes: 10 10.5%

  • Total voters
    95

Cameron Smith

is kind of hungry...
Silver Member
Who is/was the greatest cueist of all time Willie Mosconi, Steve Davis, Efren Reyes, Ralph Greenleaf, Willie Hoppe, Stephen Hendry, Wimpy Lassister, Stephen Hendry or Walter Lindrum?

If I have forgotten anyone feel free to yell at me.
 
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Now my honest answer would have been Frank Taberski. World Chmpion 7 straight times...Oh. and let us not forget to also thank frank for the shot clock.........................................mike
 
The greatest cueist of all time, including all players yet to be born, and including all planets, solar systems, and galaxies, is Efren Reyes. No player has ever shown such excellence in so many disciplines over the green felt.

Cameron was my second choice, of course.
 
Walter Lindrum by a mile, he had to give huge spots to his nearest rivals.

A case could be made for Harold Worst, A World Champion in 3-cushion AND Pool! I can't think of anyone else winning a World Championship in 2 different cuesports.

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On 29 August 1998 there is a dinner being held in Melbourne Australia to
celebrate the centenary of the birth of a man that I believe to be the
greatest to ever pick up a cue. His name was Walter Lindrum. The dinner is a
black tie affair which will be attended by former Prime Ministers and
British Lords


I doubt that any Americans have ever heard the name and I suspect that many
English enthusiasts, having heard of the venerable Walter Lindrum are unsure
of his record.


I appreciate that there are many different cue sports and that it is simply
not possible to compare players who never met head to head and didn't even
play the same game, but I would be interested to hear the various cases for
your "best of the best".


American players whose records I am reasonably familiar with include Ives,
Mosconi, Hoppe, Mizerak and others. Who was the best of these? Are there
videotpaes of them available?


What about Raymond Keulmans the Belgian genius. I have seen tapes of him
playing three cushion carom and he has to be considered as he has dominated
his branch of cue sports for so long.


What about the giants of the Snooker world:
Joe Davis, Ray Reardon, Steve Davis and Stephen Hendry.
I have attended three World Snooker Championships at Sheffield (Full Monty
Country) in the U.K. and Hendry is the best I have ever seen playing
Snooker, though many folk I know rate Joe Davis as the best.


Having seen and read about all of these guys I believe Lindrum's claim to be
the strongest, but what say you?


Walter Lindrum played English Billiards and dabbled a little (very little)at
Snooker and pool games. A few of his highlights included:


* They had to change the rules of the game to limit his scoring.
* He still holds all the major records in his sport from the 1930's. Is
there another sport anywhere where the world record stands from the 1930's?
.
* He holds the record for scoring the fastest 100 break (fifty scoring
shots) in less than 30 seconds; close cannons.
* He regularly occupied the table for hours on end without missing (and
he played fast)
* Opponents would regularly not get a shot in a match up to 1000 points
(around 400 shots)
* His world record break (4137) entailed nearly 2000 consecutive strokes
without missing. In the post WW2 era I think there has not been a single
break over 1000 (say 400 shots) in a world championship.
* Playing partners attest that in social matches he played for more than
12 hours without a miss or a break. I wonder when he went to the toilet?


Bear in mind we are talking English Billiard tables here: 12ft x 6ft with
pocket openings at three and a half inches and cloth with a heavy nap on it.
Not your compact American tables with pockets in which you can park a
pickup.


Walter's father Fred was the Australian champion for many years around the
end of the last century and trained the boy from birth. From the age of six
he practiced 14 hours a day, every day, interrupted only by a limited
schooling. Although born a right hander his father forced him to play left
handed so they could stand face to face at the table for instruction. The
result was that he was truly ambidextrous.


For the first couple of years Fred would only let Walter have one ball, the
cue ball, to hit. What a happy day it must have been when Fred finally gave
him something to aim at!. But imagine how well he knew the angles by then.


Fred basically kept him locked up for twenty five years, just playing within
the family. His older brother was the Australian champion during most of
this period, but Walter was not allowed to seriously challenge him because
it would have ruined his older brother's career as a professional.


The world had a glimpse of Walter's genius when the recent world champion,
H.W. Stephenson came out to Australia for a billiards tour. He was ambushed
by a 24 year old Walter, losing 6540 to Walter's 16000.


Walter's competitive career was brief, playing his first world championship
in his thirties and bursting onto the UK scene as a virtual unknown. Within
two years, having of course been unbeaten and winning by unheard of margins,
the authorities revised the rules to attempt to limit his scoring and
reintroduce some interest into a game which had effectively been "solved".


It didn't work, he kept scoring prolifically and effectively ruined the
sport, taking all the competitive interest out of it. Paradoxically, the
greatest ever killed the very sport he was born for. Walter retired to
Australia in disgust and refused to travel again for competition. At one
time there was talk that he should play Willie Hoppe in an agreed "neutral
format" game, but neither player was happy with the arrangement so it never
came to pass. So we must guess.


My guess is Walter Lindrum by a mile, but what say you.


How good was your man. Tell me about him.

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i read this way back in 1998... and yes i was so impressed i tried finding footage of the man playing.. to say he is spectacular is short of a gross understatement..
 
worst

im no expert, but from what i hear people say you need harold worst in there. grady said he would practice starit pool everyday until he ran 200, thats how strong he was.
 
i voted Ralph Greenleaf, in an aiming topic awhile back someone posted a old pic of Ralph teaching Willie Mosconi i should look this up again.
 
Mr441 said:
...A case could be made for Harold Worst, A World Champion in 3-cushion AND Pool! I can't think of anyone else winning a World Championship in 2 different cuesports.

...And Harold Worst also won the Johnston City All-around championship defeating Boston Shorty before his untimely death. By the way, Shorty could play a little 3-cushion, too and at least deserves an honorable mention. But with that said, Efren gets my big vote.
 
None of the above. The greatest man I ever saw with a cue in his hand was Raymond Ceulemans!
He was simply remarkable in his ability to play a most difficult game.
 
I think I should justify a few of my choices. I wanted to have a few players from each game, but I had more players from pool up there becuase, well, this is a POOL forum. The pool players I chose were guys I couldn't leave out. I might have gotten away forgetting Lassiter, but Greenleaf and Mosconi had to up included. If I had excluded Reyes there might have been uproar leading to my banishment. I chose Welker Cochran over Raymond Ceulemons because Cochran was arguably every bit as good as Willie Hoppe. Not that Ceulemons isn't a great cueist though.

I recently looked up Harold Worst and his accomplishments and I regret leaving him out. But I don't regret it too much because its not as though the poll counts for anything. However I think he died before he could amass a list of accomplishments that rival Mosconi, Greenleaf, Lassiter or Reyes.

As for Ronnie O'Sullovan, when he is on he is unbeatable. However he has been too hot and cold in his career. For a player of his talent he should absolutely dominate, but he doesn't. That being said his career isn't finished and he has the best chance to become the first person to win world titles in two cue sport disciplines. I know Joe Davis won the English Billiards world title and the World Snooker title but its not as though there was much of any competition in snooker. I believe that Davis and Hendry's dominance over snooker during their respective times qualifies them as greater (at this point in time) then Ronnie. But like I said, Ronnie is not finished yet and he could easily surpass Davis and Hendry if he maintains focus.

As for adding myself, I though it would be funny. I'm certainly amused. As I write this I am currently tied with Willie Mosconi as the second greatest cueist of all time. SECOND?!?!? Where's Efren!?!?!? I'll challenge him to anything for any amount of money to see who is the greatest of all time!!!!

uh oh he didn't hear that did he? :D
 
Jimmy M. said:
Bobaloo isn't in that list so I don't consider it a valid list to begin with.

Here you go.. start another poll....
 

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I voted for Efren because I think his accomplishments in so many different games is astonishing. However, the sheer dominance by some of the others, Lindrum in particular, is impressive. We've left the women out; I think the argument of best female cuist ever between Jean Balukas and Allison Fisher is interesting (I give Allison the nod, because of her snooker/pool excellence and facing much tougher competition than JB had). A few more all-time greats: http://www.thefactoryoutlet.com/pool-table/personality.asp
 
Josh Palmer said:
Here you go.. start another poll....
That's what I've been saying for years! Bobaloo is the champ of all champs. Nobody, but NOBODY, goes to Hard Times to play Bobaloo! Damn, I wish I had seen this thread earlier.:D
 
WHAT!?!?!? Mosconi and Greenleaf are beating me now????????? those guys were hacks:D. Oh well at least Im still beating Davis and Hendry.
 
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