Who wishes a return to pre-express rules?

Push Out

There's a tournament in Houston that plays you can rollout any time, but whoever takes the shot afterwards has to make the ball or its ball in hand for the incoming player!

I haven't played in it yet, but it sounds interesting!

Ray
 
Grady's 9-ball rules

Here is a copy of a set of interesting rules Grady posted for some of his tournaments:

Grady?s 9 Ball Rules

It?s call shot but it is not necessary to call obvious shots.

Only one ball may be called on one shot.

If the called ball is pocketed legally, everything else that might go is good.

If a player misses a called shot, his opponent has the option of taking the shot or having his
opponent shoot again.

A scratch gives the opponent cueball-in-hand.

Nothing spots up except the 9 ball.

If a player calls ?safe? and inadvertently pockets a ball(s), his opponent has the option of taking
the shot or having the player shoot again.

A player may not call safe and pocket a ball.

While this is not a foul, remember that the opponent will have ?option?.

Players rack their own balls.

They may also have a friend rack the balls for them.

An opponent may not rack the balls.

The 9 ball must be pocketed last to win the game.

Where not mentioned herein, the general rules of pocket billiards shall apply.


Since Grady doesn't post here, we won't have the benefit of his explanation or comments. I especially like the 9-ball being made last, which takes away: the break 9-ball, slop, and the early lucky combination ability.

My only stipulation might be to define a "safety" as a shot in which the object ball must be contacted; whereas a "push-out" would be when the player is hooked from seeing the object ball-- in which case he could simply push to any location, and give the option to the opponent. The opponent could then play a safety, but not a push.

If my memory serves me, when we used the old push-out rules, a player could push only when he was hooked from being able to directly hit the object ball.

Doc
 
Interesting variation... Would be interesting to try out...


Just an Aside: So many options... Who would've ever thunk that a game with 15 balls plus a white one (or other similar variants) would spring off so many different games and game rule variations...
 
dabarbr said:
Going back to push out would definately favor the better player.

I believe you would see more runouts because these days if you see that making a ball and trying to breakout a tied up ball may put you in trouble by giving you a bad leave, you may pass on it. Many times we don't take that chance and just play position to play a safety.

With the push out rule we would go for that breakout and not be afraid of that bad leave knowing we can go the the push out.

However I do believe that for tournament play it may have a tendency to slow the play down. Many smart players will not push out to a makeable ball but rather to force the opponent to play a safety. This will force a series of safety play. This in its self will add time to the match.

In my opinion this is the reason the game went from pushout to TE. For tournament play and TV.

In pushout I myself waited for a mistake from my opponent in his safety play. There is much stategy to be learned from push out nine ball.

Rep for you, this is one of the best posts on this subject in a while!
 
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