Why aren't women as good as men!?

[Number1]

OK this will no doubt get a few responses but why can't women compete with men? Always wondered since it isn't a physical game, is there a sensible explanation for it?

Poll for a bit of fun lol

 

[Cardinal_Syn]

Same thing with Darts....the worlds best woman has no chance of competing with the men...although the woman has greater chances in pool.

 

[Snapshot9]

women players

Sorry, but I have never seen a woman player that could hand me my hat ...

The best women players are only
65-85% strength of the best men players. Allison, Karen, and Jeanette, and Jean Balukas being the 85% ones.
In fact, I have never seen a woman that I would say is over a 7 speed in the amateur rankings, and that includes the Canadian Twins that won international championships in Vegas. When women get that good, they will start gambling like men do, and I mean for more than
$5. They just don't have the grit and the gamble to get there, no offense meant
ladies, just a fact ... and I have played
40 years in many places.

 

[thewolf]

hi,
My opinion is that there are many stronger and manny more consistant male players than female...... name off all the very good male players and try and name as many females.. u cant do it.... im not being sexist in saying this... i dont mean to be... but its true males play better... why i dont know??

 

[Bluewolf]

I would say none of the above also. I think that the reasons are other than what you have posted. I also see that gap closing and I see that it will continue to close.

Also, to be accurate, which level of play?

Pro?
League?
Non handicapped non pro tournies?
Recreational?

 

[Bluewolf]

Re: women players

Sorry, but I have never seen a woman player that could hand me my hat ...

I think that your opinion is shared by many. It is this opinion, that ultimately will motivate women and change will happen. That is why I like some coed tournies. This helps the women, gives them a desire to excell even more than they already have.

'a thing is only impossible until someone does it'

bw

 

[thewolf]

I HOPE TO SEE WOMEN ELEVATE AND PLAY WITH THE MEN...

 

[Rickw]

hi,
My opinion is that there are many stronger and manny more consistant male players than female...... name off all the very good male players and try and name as many females.. u cant do it.... im not being sexist in saying this... i dont mean to be... but its true males play better... why i dont know??

All you have to do is go into any local pool room and you'll usually see a lot more guys than girls. If there are more men playing the game, it just stands to reason that there will be more top men players than top women players. Fortunately, there are more women in the pool halls now than there use to be. I think we can probably thank ESPN and the women players like Jeanette, Allison and Karen for that. IMHO, most pool halls over the years have been unofficial mens' clubs. To have seen a woman in a pool hall 30 years ago would have been very unusual.

Personally, I would much rather play pool with a pretty woman than a male hustler trying to figure out how to get my last dollar. I guess I just have a weakness for the opposite sex. I'm so glad that women are finally coming into the pool halls. I wouldn't mind losing to a woman and I have. I've beaten a few too and that feels just as good to me as beating a guy. I don't really see a big difference. Man or woman, when they're playing me pool they're just another opponent, except the woman just looks a whole lot better!

 

[Jimmy M.]

I'm sure I'll be the bad guy for saying this, but oh well. It's silly to sit here and say things like, "the gap is closing". It isn't closing. There are two women right now who don't play quite as well as the one woman who dominated women's pool 20 years ago (Jean B.), and they're the two best players on that tour! However, there are more women playing now, so as a result, there are more women playing at a level that only a few played at back when there were less women playing. It isn't just pool. It's all sports that I am familiar enough with to know the difference in play between women and men. All this political correctness is a bunch of B.S. when it gets to the point that we are denying the obvious truth. Why do the men play better? Who knows. But they DO play better (and significantly better, at that), and anyone who thinks they'll live to see the day that this isn't the case is in for one hell of a long wait.

 

[Koop]

You left out the real reason.
Biology.

I will never understand why this becomes such a heated battle when all it really comes down to is biology. Maybe if someone had the time they could trace it all the way back to the caveman but it is a fact that men are genetically stronger, faster and therefore better athletes. This does not mean that a woman could not beat me because it has been proven that there are plenty of women who could. It also does not mean that a professional woman could not beat a professional male because I have seen Karen Corr beat some of the best on the Joss tour. But in any sport where there is a mens and womens professional association I would guarantee that the best men are far better than the best women. Take for example Michael Jordan and say Lisa Leslie. She is such a great basketball player it is frightening but one on one against Jordan I'm sure she would be the first to admit that she wouldn't have a prayer. This really shouldn't be controversial as long as everyone is honest with themselves and not just getting pissed off at the premise.

My two cents.

 

[sniper]

IMO, the most important shot in the game is the break shot and women don't break as well men (for the most part) I don't know of a women player that can break among the likes of Busty or a Corey Duel, this is definitely an advantage to the men players.

Another reason that was already pointed out is that there are alot more men that play the game then women, walk into any local poolhall and I imagine males would be the predominant sex in there playing pool. Fortunately, we are seeing the number of women players increase exponentially in the last few years, if the number continues to grow maybe the women will catch up to the men somewheres down the road.

Sniper

 

[SPetty]

You left out the real reason.
Biology.

...but it is a fact that men are genetically stronger, faster and therefore better athletes.

No question. If pool was a game of strength and speed, I don't think anyone would disagree with what you're saying. But when does pool ever require strength and speed to play it well? Basketball, yes - pool, no.

Another poster mentioned the break shot. Yes, perhaps. But, if masculine strength and speed are needed in pool for only the break shot, what about the rest of the shots?

Of course, I'm guessing we're talking about the nine-ball break shot. What about the game of 14-1? At what point are masculine strength and speed needed to play that game?

 

[Celtic]

Re: Re: Why aren't women as good as men!?

Craig,

Sorry to ask but are you crazy? I was in a pool room for the past two days at a ladies regional tour tournament and I saw several ladies who would hand you your hat and have the house man show you the door. LOL

My answer for your remarks are none of the above. The ladies are about 100 years behind in developement because of male chauvinism just like yours but they are catching up. I know several ladies you couldn't beat in your best day.

On second thought, I wouldn't want any of the ladies I know to play someone like you or men in general for that matter. Playing men detracts form the ladies beauty and entertainment value. I think you are what the ladies in the UK would call a "cheekie sod" or something like that? LOL

Cheers,

Gremlin

Yeah but Gremlin who the hell is Craig. You are comparing top regional lady players to an amature male player. Compare apples with apples. The top male amature players dominate the top women amature players, I dont see Rachael Abbink playing Scott Toleffson (sp? ) straight up for big cash, or any other top amature female. If you want to compare a top female pro on the other hand then compare her to Efren Reyes, Busta, Mika, Strickland, ect....

At the various levels of pool the men are consitently better then the women. The top women in the world can compete with very good male players on certain given days, but I dont think even you could say that Corr or Fisher are anywhere close to as good as Efren or Archer over the long run. Over the long run those men will continue to rank in the top 5 players in the world and if the women competed on the mens tour then Allison and Karen would be hard pressed to make the top 50. There are many strong male players in the world that dont quite have what it takes to compete at the pro level and win, and I would say they have more game then Allison or Karen.

As for the original question of why it is that the women cannot play at the same speed of the men? I think some of it has to do with mental attitude for sure. I mean no offense to any women on the tour but there is a reason that Lesbians seem to have a greater success rate in professional pool. There is something I believe in the way their brain works that gives them more confidence and determination, mentally they are closer to men then the straight women on the tour in more ways then the obvious way. It is not only in pool that this seems to happen. In tennis there is a much greater then average percentage of lesbians when compared to women on the whole. I do think that becomming a top women athelete and being gay does have some connection. Another reason I will say is the third reason on the list. There cannot be any advantage of having breasts in pool. If you watch the way women stroke the ball they actually stand more to the side of the shot then men in order to avoid interferance from their body on their shot. Men tend to stroke the ball with the cue traveling underneath their chest, women simply cannot do this and have to adjust, perhaps to a less successful stance. It is of course a touchy subject and I am sure Gremlin will ream on me for what he sees as sexist remarks *snicker* but it is simply the truth as I see it and if you want to have a honest disscussion about this topic then we must look at the realism of these concerns and possible reasons.

 

[jjinfla]

...why can't women compete with men? Always wondered since it isn't a physical game, is there a sensible explanation for it?

Why should they? Whay would they want to? What would their motivation be? Surely they have the opportunity to earn more money playing in the WPBA than if they played against the men on a regular basis. Win or lose they would be subjected to abuse. And besides, where would people like Allison, Jeannette, Karen, etc., find the time? They have their regular WPBA tournaments, and giving lessons and running pool schools, and the charity events they participate in, and responsiblities to their sponsors. All of which take up a lot of their time. Jake

 

[9balllvr]

This question comes up a lot on this site.....but it always get quite an uproar going-which I assume is the reason for asking the same question over and over again.....my two cents......all in all I believe that men and women have different styles of play which does not allow the two to mesh well in competitive arenas as of yet....but the day is definitely coming......(you can see the same in many sports as the physical aspect comes into play, the mental abilities, the egos, etc.) the two games are quite different in that men are aggressive and offensive players and women are methodical and analytical defensive players. Btw, I think it is great to get people thinking by having polls such as these, but when you do them in a sexist, ignorant manner (example, the "jugs" option) it is pathetic to say the least......that is the kind of crap we women have to deal with in a pool hall...and you wonder why it took so long to get us in there......

 

[Porter]

OPINION

When I saw this post I thought is this a sexist question or what?

As a man that respects women, I would like for you to know that I think the post is a reasonable topic, however the poll is probably out of line, unless all the women that read these post know you and know you are BSing. I kope you are.

One of the main reason in my opinion is that our culture as a whole does not afford the opportunity for women to be exposed to the sport of pool as men are. The numbers are probably more than 100,000 to 1 as far as how many young men are exposed to the game by their peers compared to women.

You know ther were simular comments in golf several yaers ago in refrence to blacks and golf or whites in basketball. I believe most of it all comes down to numbers, exposure and priorities.

 

[Rickw]

Thanks Gremlin for illustrating the point I was trying to make so graphically! I would much rather play across the table from a lovely young lady like Megan than any of the male pros! No offense guys but she's just a heck of a lot prettier than any of you!

BTW, didn't Jean Balukas win a break shot championship against the male pros just before she retired? Seems to me she did but my memory aint what it used to be!

 

[Number1]

Well I wasn't trying to be sexist, just being a "cheeky sod" as they say

For those of you that don't me you soon will when I get over to the states ) Also I would play Karren or Allison anytime, and I don't think I would be getting my hat (I don't wear a hat but if I did....

I agree about the break, but I don't think a womens general play is as good as mens. I'm not slagging women (well intentionally) but I think they should stop the segregation, throw them all together and let the best (politically corretc) "person" win, this will help their game no end. Also in snooker too, some cue power is obviously needed for some shots but the break isn't exactly an issue.

Cheers for the posts

Craig

 

[9balllvr]

As I am sure you are aware, there are many tournaments set up out there that allows for men and women to play together on an even level. Also, if you look at just about any other professional sporting event, you don't see the men and women playing together - the segregation of the men and women seems consistent in just about any sport. I believe that the sport of pool is set-up better then most sports out there, because the women do have to opportunity to integrate with the men in events, but do not think it is appropriate to have professional tours that mix. The one thing that I do agree with is that for some, playing men can improve your game (it reflects a different style of play) but it is a matter of preference and what you are looking for in a match.

 

[9balllvr]

P.S. Thanks to Porter for being a gentleman. It is much appreciated. To elaborate on something he said, it has always been that women aren't looked on in such a great light when spending hours on end in a pool hall or bar by friends, family, onlookers, etc.......and it is acceptable for men.....that in itself deters women from playing......until they get the pool bug......then it is all over....