Why CTE is silly

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Trying to explain or disprove cte and any other aiming system Is like trying to explain the existence of a God.

I sAy this from threads and posts I've read here.

If you have faith in any system or a god and you believe this in your heart then why argue?

To me it's like a man standing on a corner of a street saying God doesn't exsist. You hear this, and you think its crazy and you start to think the man is crazy, so why stop to argue? If you believe in something then you believe it. You don't actually have to stop and talk or even ask why they believe in something you don't.

If people think cte is BS then let them go and think that. Why try and explain to them why it isn't? Who does it benefit? You? Or them?
Think about it?
I could see a person who benefits from trying to explain cte arguing win anyone who thinks cte is crazy. But, for any of us regular folks we should let this guy just think what he wants. We know what works for us and what doesn't.

I've learned that life is just to precious to advocate something like this to anyone who thinks that cte is bs. I've got nothing to gain from his and I would rather want people to think it is BS cause if I'm using it and playing better I wouldn't want anyone else to beat me!

Have a nice day.
Disclaimer : my English sucks I just hope everyone can understand the point I'm trying to say.
 
Piercyexclusive said:
If people think cte is BS then let them go and think that. Why try and explain to them why it isn't? Who does it benefit? You? Or them?
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Good Point.

"Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."
Author unknown, attributed to Mark Twain
 
GetMeThere:
Hey Mike, maybe you could, er, help me with a little problem I'm having with Dr. Dave
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I know that Mike could help, but just in case he doesnt (and assuming I understand your question based on skimming just a couple of your comments to Dr Dave)...

Some years ago Mike gave an analogy on RSB that explained clearly to me what happens when a ball is rolling with sidespin. I've used it many times since (thanks, Mike) to explain it to others. Here it is:

Imagine that there's a cylinder (like a barrel) exactly the right size so that it's just contained within the ball. The cylinder/barrel's top and bottom edges meet the ball's surface like two latitude lines drawn around a globe in the northern and southern hemispheres.

Now imagine that you've tilted the barrel and are rolling it along the table's surface like you'd roll a barrel on its edge. You can see that the axis of rotation is tilted, and the barrel's bottom edge rolls along the table in a straight line without sliding at all.

Now imagine the ball surrounding the barrel rolling along with it across the table. This is how a ball rolls across the table with sidespin - no sliding, just rolling. If you were to put wet ink on the table it would mark a line around the ball at its "southern latitude" line.

The remaining wrinkle is that as the ball rolls its sidespin wears off and its axis of rotation becomes more and more horizontal. To visualize this, imagine that the tilted barrel within the ball tilts more and more onto its side, and simultaneously becomes fatter and fatter and shorter and shorter, but it continues rolling on its edge (you should be able to visualize doing this with a barrel that changes this way as you roll it). Eventually, when all the sidespin wears off, the fatter, shorter barrel becomes a flat disc rolling vertically on its edge. The wet ink line marked on the ball is actually a spiral that starts as a small tilted latitude and becomes a vertical "great circle" longitude when the ball is rolling normally without sidespin.

pj
chgo
 
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Again
First off im not promoting anyone,to each there own.


This is not how i normally aim but i do use it on certain type of shot's.
In this video i use pocket tightners which make the pockets 3"s which is tight.I do miss but hell we all do.
How ever you pocket ball thats great im not trying to say the pivot system
is the best but to say its Bs well that's nonsense.


Sorry for the video.
Not trying to piss people off with them so dont get angry.
Just having fun thats all.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=in1BuGYMflM
 
GetMeThere:
Please describe EXACTLY, step by step, the process of "aiming" you're using to make those shots.
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John:
Why should he?
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Because the only credible reason not to is that he (and you and every other CTE user) can't.

Save the "spoon feeding" nonsense. I said credible.

pj
chgo
 
JB Cases said:
True no shortage of flame around this topic.

However, Hal Houle Aiming + John Plus a Little Luck = John 1 Lou 0, so far.

You can avenge it next time we are in the same place. We can play two races to three in One Pocket with no weight. That way there will be no tie.

At least when you beat me then you will be able to claim, like Mike Page, that you beat me when these discussions come up.

:-)

For now I can claim that while wearing my tinfoil hat and my Vote For Hal button and not knowing very much about one pocket - I beat you the one and only time we played.

I give credit to Hal's aiming systems and the luck of the pool gods. And also that this was a rinky dink social affair which you weren't taking seriously.

Still,

John 1 Lou 0.

:-)
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Yeah.

Well, me and Larry Nevel are 1-0 too. A few years back I beat Larry -- fresh off his US Open One Pocket Championship -- in a 1pocket tournament up in Chicago, race to three.

I credit blowing Hal off, not using CTE, the luck of the pool gods, and that Larry tried to jack up and shoot a three-rail position shot on a tight table that left Lou a case out that a drunk Girl Scout could have made.

We all got a war story we're proud of, John. Mine includes a US Open Champ. Apparently yours features, well... moi.

Lou Figueroa
it takes so little
to get John excited :-)
 
lfigueroa said:
Yeah.

Well, me and Larry Nevel are 1-0 too. A few years back I beat Larry -- fresh off his US Open One Pocket Championship -- in a 1pocket tournament up in Chicago, race to three.

I credit blowing Hal off, not using CTE, the luck of the pool gods, and that Larry tried to jack up and shoot a three-rail position shot on a tight table that left Lou a case out that a drunk Girl Scout could have made.

We all got a war story we're proud of, John. Mine includes a US Open Champ. Apparently yours features, well... moi.

Lou Figueroa
it takes so little
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So I beat the guy who beat Nevel? Awesome. That makes me feel even better about it. Normally I wouldn't care so much but it just so happens that my one victory over you came jsut after you and Deno Andrews had been hazing me pretty good about my adoption of Hal's system.

I beat Deno as well so it was a double header.

It doesn't take much to keep me happy that's for sure. Learning a great aiming system or two does the trick and beating a major detractor at his game using that system is icing on the cake.

However I should balance it out by saying that I did lose to Pat Johnson that same trip and Mike Page has relived me of lunch money on several occasions. So you are kind of the odd man out here.

Pat is going to get a chance to extend his lead here in a few weeks. I am hard in training going over reams of old RSB threads to refresh my self on the aiming wars and get pumped up. :-)

So I am glad you blew off Hal. If you hadn't who knows, maybe you would have beaten solidly and snapped off more champions than just Larry? The world will never know now.
 
Patrick Johnson said:
I know that Mike could help, but just in case he doesnt (and assuming I understand your question based on skimming just a couple of your comments to Dr Dave)...

Some years ago Mike gave an analogy on RSB that explained clearly to me what happens when a ball is rolling with sidespin. I've used it many times since (thanks, Mike) to explain it to others. Here it is:

Imagine that there's a cylinder (like a barrel) exactly the right size so that it's just contained within the ball. The cylinder/barrel's top and bottom edges meet the ball's surface like two latitude lines drawn around a globe in the northern and southern hemispheres.

Now imagine that you've tilted the barrel and are rolling it along the table's surface like you'd roll a barrel on its edge. You can see that the axis of rotation is tilted, and the barrel's bottom edge rolls along the table in a straight line without sliding at all.

Now imagine the ball surrounding the barrel rolling along with it across the table. This is how a ball rolls across the table with sidespin - no sliding, just rolling. If you were to put wet ink on the table it would mark a line around the ball at its "southern latitude" line.

The remaining wrinkle is that as the ball rolls its sidespin wears off and its axis of rotation becomes more and more horizontal. To visualize this, imagine that the tilted barrel within the ball tilts more and more onto its side, and simultaneously becomes fatter and fatter and shorter and shorter, but it continues rolling on its edge (you should be able to visualize doing this with a barrel that changes this way as you roll it). Eventually, when all the sidespin wears off, the fatter, thinner barrel becomes a flat disc rolling vertically on its edge. The wet ink line marked on the ball is actually a spiral that starts as a small tilted latitude and becomes a vertical "great circle" longitude when the ball is rolling normally without sidespin.
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Wow! I've just sat here for a good fifteen minutes thinking this through with the cylinder example. I see it now--even though it's counter-intuitive. A ball can roll in a STRAIGHT LINE on a non-equatorial axis**. Balls moving very slowly while they're spinning like hell on an only slightly tilted axis are actually translating that fast spin into a slow straight line by simple rolling. Whew!

Thank you very much, PJ. Dr. Dave: sorry for the argument (although, damn you, you COULD have mentioned the cylinder concept--which definitely allows for the right thought process and questions to be considered). I'm a "believer" now (but not in the sense that CTE users are "believers" :D ).

EDIT: ** I should say a "non-circumferential axis" to be clearer.
 
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John:
Pat is going to get a chance to extend his lead here in a few weeks.
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I'm looking forward to this, John - it's been too long. After all these (10? 12?) years, think of all the new stuff we have to argue about. Oh... wait... it's the same old stuff, isn't it? But it has a brand spanking new name, with initials and everything!

I am hard in training going over reams of old RSB threads to refresh my self on the aiming wars and get pumped up. :-)
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I'm counting on jet lag to keep you within striking distance on the table.

pj
chgo
 
Patrick Johnson said:
I'm looking forward to this, John - it's been too long. After all these (10? 12?) years, think of all the new stuff we have to argue about. Oh... wait... it's the same old stuff, isn't it? But it has a brand spanking new name, with initials and everything!


I'm counting on jet lag to keep you within striking distance on the table.

pj
chgo
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I've had fun playing both these guys.

I'm just wondering whether the rail is open.......
 
8pack said:
How ever you pocket ball thats great im not trying to say the pivot system
is the best but to say its Bs well that's nonsense.
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8pack,

I use the same thing on some of the tougher shots. I don't need it except for about 5% of my shooting. I've shot them enough to know them by feel.

It's a variation of 90/90 aiming that allows you to pivot from one side only, but different than Pro One. If anyone is using 90/90 now and would like a diagram describing how it works, shoot me a pm. Note: this is free. ;)

Best,
Mike
 
mikepage said:
I've had fun playing both these guys.

I'm just wondering whether the rail is open.......
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Not this trip. But there will come a time when you and I will tangle again and you can deprive me of some more meals.

However if Pat will play me some one hole then I cover all the action you feel like stacking up. ;-)

JUST KIDDING!!! I don't want this to turn into another bark fest. Pat and I are going to have fun.
 
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