Why Did I Waste $$$ On New Cloth?

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DrCue'sProtege

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why did i buy new cloth? i never get to play on the new cloth because i never get a shot or a chance to run out.

nothing has changed, still the same horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible, and more horrible rolls all the time. it just never ends.

spent 2 hours and 15 minutes racking and breaking tonight, had 2 chances to run out. i was 1 of 2. the rest of the time, guess what? yep, you guessed it, just horrible roll after horrible roll.

why me.
just why me.

DCP

p.s.if you think your tired of me complaining, how do you think i feel after the same crap night after night after night after night???
 
We all feel your pain, DCP, and want to see you snap out of it.

Just a reminder that many on the forum have suggested playing the six ball ghost to rebuild confidence when you're struggling to run out to the nine.
Why not give it a try? The only thing you've got to lose is your slump.
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
why did i buy new cloth? i never get to play on the new cloth because i never get a shot or a chance to run out.

nothing has changed, still the same horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible, and more horrible rolls all the time. it just never ends.

spent 2 hours and 15 minutes racking and breaking tonight, had 2 chances to run out. i was 1 of 2. the rest of the time, guess what? yep, you guessed it, just horrible roll after horrible roll.

why me.
just why me.

DCP

p.s.if you think your tired of me complaining, how do you think i feel after the same crap night after night after night after night???
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Maybe it's your attitude? You know, the whole self-fulfilling profecy and all. You go into the night expecting to have bad rolls and so guess what? You do! Just thought I'd "throw" that out there. I hope your walls are still doing okay...lol.
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
why did i buy new cloth? i never get to play on the new cloth because i never get a shot or a chance to run out.

nothing has changed, still the same horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible, and more horrible rolls all the time. it just never ends.

spent 2 hours and 15 minutes racking and breaking tonight, had 2 chances to run out. i was 1 of 2. the rest of the time, guess what? yep, you guessed it, just horrible roll after horrible roll.

why me.
just why me.

DCP

p.s.if you think your tired of me complaining, how do you think i feel after the same crap night after night after night after night???
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level your table...
 
I am just a kid so don't get me wrong.

How is your break? rate it 1-10 <I being brutal, and 10 being i get a ball or teo down almost every time, when i meant almost, i meant 9/10 :P. always..

My friend did this and he says it helped his break out a lot. He recorded himself, and he watched himself break, he knew before he told the camera what went down, he did a good one, and he practiced the same thing over and over, this guy break is unstoppable :P without the break box of course.

Think positive, play a race to nine vs the ghost, i think he is generous to give you the 6 ball, the ghost is easily conviced, good thing be and the ghost are good buddies or he would have my money all the time :OLol, take care DCP just my point of view on the whole thing, and cloth getting on your table, i dont think Iwan Simionis created it so poor fella's like us, could get better break's in a game.

Anywho i am off to a local ranking event. Good luck today
 
Dr Cue,

Here is a comment you made in another thread about your breaking woes:

DrCue'sProtege said:
this is typical for me, oh so typical. i got tired of the '1' Ball coming down and planting itself up against the short rail off the break, thus no shot. so i knocked it off the table with my cue and yelled at it to quit going down there
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Make no mistake about it, the problems with your break is not your table, it is not your cloth, it is not your bad luck…IT IS YOUR TECHNIQUE. Your statement above clearly tells me you do not understand the break in 9 Ball. The two most important aspects of the break are to control the cue ball, AND CONTROL THE 1 BALL.

Some players control the 1 ball to make it in the side pocket to insure they pocket a ball on the break. The only problem with this technique is there is a certain factor of luck on where you land on the 2 ball with this break. I like to find a spot where I can consistently make the wing ball (no one is going to make it 100% of the time) and then control the cue ball to the center of the table, AND control where the 1 ball is going. When using this technique, the 1 ball will head up-table, most of the time it will graze the side rail, and then head up toward the corner pocket. If I break too hard, the 1 ball will end up in the center of the top rail. If I stop the cue ball in the center of the table, I have no shot other than a bank on the 1, and most likely I will push out or play safe. The key is to control the 1 with the speed of your break so that it stops short of the corner pocket. If you are successful in doing this AND controlling the cue ball to the center of the table, you will have a nice shot on the 1 to start your run out.

You live in SW Indiana and I live in SW Ohio, so we can’t be all that far apart. I’m no pro player, but I do know the game and understand different breaking techniques. I would be glad to get together with you and help you with your break so you can start running out.
 
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Play 14.1 for awhile. You know, the game where you break by getting two balls to hit the rail, then go back into the rack. The game where if you win the lag or flip of a coin, you have the other player break...

Or... when playing a friend of mine for hours on end, I break from all sorts of different spots, 1st diamond, 2nd diamond, all over. Also hard breaks, medium breaks, soft breaks. I get all sorts of different breaks and it makes it more interesting.
 
DCP's Break

DCP,

JMHO but if the prob is the 1 always sticking the short rail try changing the force of your break.ie...If you break hard then try medium hard or medium.Check JAM's post about breaking. It's just a matter of experimenting to find what works,don't get frustrated.Oh and any change you try,try at least 3 times before deciding to scrap or use.

Terry
 
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How would you like to drive 500 miles to a tournament and have that happen two matches in a row? Now your on your way home, unless you want the full treatment and stay for the entire tournament.

Billiards is a game of luck, especially 9 ball; there's NOTHING you can do about it.

Amazingly, if you think negative and bad thoughts about always getting bad rolls guess what happens? That's right, MORE bad rolls.

On the average, good players get good rolls and bad players get bad rolls; MANY bad rolls are caused by the shot NOT the table; for example: NOT running into balls, SPEED control.

Also, when you're playing good you get GOOD rolls and when you're playing bad you get BAD rolls; think about it, how many times have you seen this.

Another important thing that DOES concern the table is that you MUST learn how the table is playing to gain good SPEED control and send the cue ball in the direction you want it to go.

Another thing is the cue ball. Is it playing light? Set the cue ball up and take a medium draw shot and see how far the cue returns; if it FLYS back effortlessly then you MUST learn to play with this cue ball, if you don't it will play havoc with your SPEED control. Since this is your table and most likely have a matched set of balls this is not a problem; but, what happens if your playing a tournament? ALWAYS check the equipment.

I know I didn't help you ego much, but I'm going to say this: it's YOU, NOT the table. You WILL get GOOD rolls and you WILL get BAD rolls, but if you play better you will see a marked increase of GOOD rolls.

NOW, I'll confess.

I too was one of these "why is God doing this to me", but this was when I was a weaker player. NOW, I still get my share of bad rolls BUT on the average GOOD rolls have increased into my favor.
 
you can fix your whole game with the 6 inch cure.




Fix the six inches between your ears and things will improve.



With your outlook/attitude you have no chance. Not posting to be a smart ass. Next time you want to buy a cue, buy a few hours of therapy and go from there. You need to take 100% responsibility for your results and quit asking "why me?"
 
Billy_Bob said:
Play 14.1 for awhile. You know, the game where you break by getting two balls to hit the rail, then go back into the rack. The game where if you win the lag or flip of a coin, you have the other player break...

Or... when playing a friend of mine for hours on end, I break from all sorts of different spots, 1st diamond, 2nd diamond, all over. Also hard breaks, medium breaks, soft breaks. I get all sorts of different breaks and it makes it more interesting.
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Dr. Cue,

I'd listen to Billy Bob, as he has apparently been making marvelous breakthroughs in his game. He's not at the highest levels--yet--but notice what direction his game is taking and at what speed.

This makes his advice to you verrrry valuable.

imho,

Jeff Livingston
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
why did i buy new cloth? i never get to play on the new cloth because i never get a shot or a chance to run out.

nothing has changed, still the same horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible, and more horrible rolls all the time. it just never ends.

spent 2 hours and 15 minutes racking and breaking tonight, had 2 chances to run out. i was 1 of 2. the rest of the time, guess what? yep, you guessed it, just horrible roll after horrible roll.

why me.
just why me.

DCP

p.s.if you think your tired of me complaining, how do you think i feel after the same crap night after night after night after night???
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I always wondered where my share of bad rolls were, I seem to get nothing but fantastic rolls and lucky breaks. ;)
 
DCP, are you that good with your game that you now practice break shot mostly? If I were you, I'd rather work on other areas of the game and forget about the break for a while. I mean, come on, in one hour how many break shots do you get to shoot? 20, 30? All that racking and preparation do take some time. Even if someone else racks for you, you still have to wait and wait and wait. Especially on the table where it's hard to rack correctly. That has to be frustrating. That's probably why you are blasting at the balls impatiently, not hitting the center...etc.

You could have spent that hour doing regular drills where you would get to shoot more than 200 times for sure. So of course your break shot can never be as good as your regular shot. Break shot will improve very slowly simply because it's a painfully slow practice. It takes literally years to master it. Plus there are many ways to break and you can never really be sure if you've chosen what's right for you.

I think you're wasting valuable time practicing the break shot only. Why don't you simply enjoy the game and practice something else? I've read your threads where you state that you have visited an instructor who wanted you to change your fundamentals. This tells me that you're nowhere near pro level of play. And yet you try to practice like a pro player. Sorry, but that just isn't going to work.
 
predator said:
This tells me that you're nowhere near pro level of play. And yet you try to practice like a pro player. Sorry, but that just isn't going to work.
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B I N G O........

just breaking and running out is going to do N O T H I N G for your game dude, take the hint. mark wilson told you what to practice, everyone on the board told you what to practice...........so.........just practice it..........


no offense here, but getting better is up to you, if you don't get better, its because of your own ignorance.......

thanks
 
predator said:
I think you're wasting valuable time practicing the break shot only. Why don't you simply enjoy the game and practice something else? I've read your threads where you state that you have visited an instructor who wanted you to change your fundamentals. This tells me that you're nowhere near pro level of play. And yet you try to practice like a pro player. Sorry, but that just isn't going to work.
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Double BINGO.

-Roger
 
95% of the time when I break(8 ball) I scratch at the right hand head string end pocket the other 5% of the time the ball goes off the table but I bet I win 75% of my games because I practice the important part of the game. Control, shape and ball pocketing along with my fundamentals. Unless your a touring pro fundamentals will get you farther that a bang up break. I get frustrated ALOT as well but you can never blame the equipment its almost always the person on the end of the cue. Keep your head high, don't take this GAME so seriously and have fun you'll get there. Best of luck.
 
dday said:
95% of the time when I break(8 ball) I scratch at the right hand head string end pocket the other 5% of the time the ball goes off the table but I bet I win 75% of my games because I practice the important part of the game. Control, shape and ball pocketing along with my fundamentals. Unless your a touring pro fundamentals will get you farther that a bang up break. I get frustrated ALOT as well but you can never blame the equipment its almost always the person on the end of the cue. Keep your head high, don't take this GAME so seriously and have fun you'll get there. Best of luck.
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If you constantly get draw on your break shot, why don't you adjust and move the tip a little bit higher and try to park the cueball in the center of the table ? Actually you don't even have to make conscious effort on aiming differently, just adjust the height of your bridge hand. You know, when there is 15 balls in front of the cueball at the moment of impact, the draw you put on the cueball is amplified. I have noticed that a perfect stop shot at a 9-ball racks cannot be copied to the 8-ball break. Because of extra 6 balls' weight, with identical break I get some draw on 8-ball rack.

IMHO, you should practise 9-ball break and 8-ball break as different separate shots. Even though you (might) break both racks full in the head ball, you still need to have different strokes for both of them if you want to control the cueball well.

To DrCuesProtege: First, try to make sure you rack tight. How many times we are too lazy to make a perfect rack when we're practising ? At least I was, but not anymore. If you want to learn to break well, rack 'em tight. Second, pay attention how the wing ball, 1-ball and cueball react after the break. If the wing ball hits the head short rail, you've broken too soft to make it in the corner. If the wingball hits the long rail, you've broken too hard. But, first you need to hit the rack full in the face to park the cueball in the center of the table. Only after that, you can make the observations above about the direction of the wingball. After you can make the wingball consistently and park the cueball in the center, then you might start observing where the 1-ball ends at the break.

My two cents...
 
well, when i got the new Powder Blue cloth i wanted to play while it was new and still slick as could be.

when i talk about horrible rolls, i simply mean getting really tough spreads, or balls stuck behind each other, or balls blocking the pockets all the time, etc, etc, these types of things. its a rare occassion indeed that i actually make a ball and have all the balls out in the open with an excellent chance to run out.

last night, for example, i had to come around 3 rails to get downtable for the '3' ball. were talking about 12' to 13' feet of cue ball travel with only about a 4" window to get on the '3' ball. and just my luck, the ball came down table, and i ended up about 1'8" of an inch out of position. seems like thats how my luck goes, i go all the way around and down the table, and i am off by 1'8" of an inch. now i know i am the one that hit the cue ball there, but i just feel thats a horrible piece of bad luck.

i agree with what you guys say about practicing, and quit breaking and trying to run out. i just wanted to "play" on the new cloth. soon, very soon, i will get back to practicing 3-5 hours a day.

DCP
 
sometimes too much practice can be bad too.

And it is easy to blame it on your luck or your new cloth or whatever.... Maybe you should start blaming it on yourself? That it could very well be a mental issue. You know how to play pool! you have done each of these shots! but mental drawbacks can be messing you up. Previous bad shots affecting new shots and then it all snow balls from there. Thats why sometimes taking a break from things can be good once in a while...
 
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