Why do you miss when you miss?

I think we need to define who "we" is. If "we" are professional players, then it's because we're human. If "we" are ball bangers ... well, the reasons are endless. It could be mechanical. It could be mental. It could be that Sonia is really IMMSHARMA. Who knows? :)
 
Lol IMMSHARMA i remember that guy, he was funny. I recall reading alot of BS from that guy on every pool forum.
 
There are alot of good reasons and excuses why we miss shots, especially the easy ones, but johnny archer once said its not the tough shots that kill you it is the easy ones. and on the subject of the head alignment, the perfect head alignment is "The one that allows you to see the imaginary line the best you can". Cole 'TheConArtist'
 
sizl said:
I totally understand your angle, but is that what you would tell one of your students? If a student ask you " why do we miss"? You might say " because we are human", but after that you would elaborate. I realize that the JLW is not one of your students, but being a analytical player such as yourself I thought you would give more of a elaborate answer.

I am not saying your answer was wrong, it is right on target. BUT WHY DO WE AS HUMANS MISS?
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Sizl,

I think it is more important to focus on why we MAKE shots. We can overanlyze the reasons that we miss from now until eternity, but I believe time is spent more constructively and more positively fguring out why we make them rather than why we miss them. This isn't semantics, its about how I teach my students to observe their game. Most misses are due to positional errors or being left tough by your opponent. There are other misses that occur due to a flaw in our alignment, our stroke, our breathing, or our balance. I believe that instead of finding what doesn't work, myself and the player should look at what DOES work and build their game around that. Hopefully this is the type of answer you wanted, and thank you for forcing me to work too hard on the weekend. LOL.
 
drivermaker said:
Why don't you fill me in...I've been on a hiatus.
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I can only assume, given the arrogant attitude you have toward the people on this board, that you must be a leading money winner on the professional pool tour.


BlackJack-

You, on the other hand, have a reputation as a knowledgeable teacher and proponent of the game. And I appreciate your experience and where you're coming from. But, bear with me for just a second. I'm sure you would agree that if your fundamentals aren't in order, you're not going to make as many shots as you should. Wouldn't you also count mental focus as one of the fundamentals players need to learn? That's basically the point of this thread- players don't often stop to think about exactly why they miss a shot. They assume it's just due to bad aim or because people are human and can't make every shot. But what shots are we missing? If we are missing shots that we really should be making, it could be due to simple mental errors. If we believe that to be the case, shouldn't we try to make ourselves aware of those errors and then take steps to eliminate them? I appreciate your input on this thread and would like to hear your thoughts on this. Thanks.
 
JLW said:
I can only assume, given the arrogant attitude you have toward the people on this board, that you must be a leading money winner on the professional pool tour.


BlackJack-

You, on the other hand, have a reputation as a knowledgeable teacher and proponent of the game. And I appreciate your experience and where you're coming from. But, bear with me for just a second. I'm sure you would agree that if your fundamentals aren't in order, you're not going to make as many shots as you should. Wouldn't you also count mental focus as one of the fundamentals players need to learn? That's basically the point of this thread- players don't often stop to think about exactly why they miss a shot. They assume it's just due to bad aim or because people are human and can't make every shot. But what shots are we missing? If we are missing shots that we really should be making, it could be due to simple mental errors. If we believe that to be the case, shouldn't we try to make ourselves aware of those errors and then take steps to eliminate them? I appreciate your input on this thread and would like to hear your thoughts on this. Thanks.
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My coaching strategy isnt so much why you missed the shot, it's how you react to missing the shot. Sometimes its pressure, maybe a mechanical flaw, a mental error, whatever. It's how we process what has happened. Sometimes it's not so much that we missed the shot, we got poor position. If that's the case, I can fiddle with your stroke all day and get nowhere. That might seem ridiculous, but I know many instructors that do that with their students. I have and article floating around out there amongst many members of this forum that explains this in more detail. They are a 5-pack of articles that deal with various elements of this subject, and I pass them along free of charge. I will post them and provide the links shortly.
 
TheConArtist said:
There are alot of good reasons and excuses why we miss shots, especially the easy ones, but johnny archer once said its not the tough shots that kill you it is the easy ones. and on the subject of the head alignment, the perfect head alignment is "The one that allows you to see the imaginary line the best you can". Cole 'TheConArtist'
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Why follow an imaginary line you cannot ever see?
 
Blackjack said:
My coaching strategy isnt so much why you missed the shot, it's how you react to missing the shot. Sometimes its pressure, maybe a mechanical flaw, a mental error, whatever. It's how we process what has happened. Sometimes it's not so much that we missed the shot, we got poor position. If that's the case, I can fiddle with your stroke all day and get nowhere. That might seem ridiculous, but I know many instructors that do that with their students. I have and article floating around out there amongst many members of this forum that explains this in more detail. They are a 5-pack of articles that deal with various elements of this subject, and I pass them along free of charge. I will post them and provide the links shortly.
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Here are the links:

Looking At Fear

Dealing With Pressure

Building Confidence

Hitting The Wall

Offensive Vs Defensive Mental Skills


Its a lot of reading, but well worth the time. Best of all, it's free.
 
JLW said:
I can only assume, given the arrogant attitude you have toward the people on this board, that you must be a leading money winner on the professional pool tour.
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I have tremendous respect and admiration for a good number of posters on this board and treat them as they should be treated. Any attitude that shows up negative is toward wannabe douche bags like you that have NO background or experience in anything pool related and your stupid hounding questions just like you're doing now with Blackjack that don't mean shit in the whole scheme of things. He told you what he felt about the issue in expilcit detail, but I guess that's not what YOU want to hear. In essence, I said the exact same thing but you didn't want to hear that either. Too bad.....
 
drivermaker said:
I think what he's saying is more semantics in that he was referring to the "perfect pot" vs. the "imperfect pot".....got it now? ;)
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"Sometimes when you win, you really lose. And sometimes when you lose, you really win." (Rosie Perez, White Men Can't Jump)
 
sonia said:
Why follow an imaginary line you cannot ever see?
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What if it IS possible to see an imaginary line?...I mean physically see it, not just a vision in the mind.

Jeff Livingston
 
RichardCranium said:
What I mean is...lets say we are playing identical layouts at the same time....we both have a fairly easy shot on the one ball and we both hopefully know where we need to put the cue ball for the next shot...We both pocket the ball, but since I missed (where I strike the cue ball) by a fraction....my cue ball ends up in a different position than were I intended...I made the ball...but I missed the overall shot...

The result ends up that I now have a different set of problems to deal with...and you have another fairly simple shot to continue the run...

It may not happen in the very first ball.......but at some point in the rack it may...

The other part of this is....You may on that same first shot miss "hit" it and end up in the same position as I did....The difference now is...You would probably shoot yourself back "in line" and continue the run....I could do that as well....but, reality is I am probably more likely to compound the issue on the next shot and be even more out of line.....

All I am really trying to get at is....everyone at every level misses......The difference is that the high level players are "in line" so much better that they never really have a mis-able shot....

Look at scotch doubles for a good example...The 6 makes a ball ... the 10 shoots them back in line...the 6 makes a ball...the 10 shoots them back in line....repeat

The reality is...making balls is the easy part.... :D :D :D
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I get ya, Richard.

There are four possible results from a pool shot:

1. Make the ball and get shape.
2. Make the ball and not get shape.
3. Miss the ball and get shape.
4. Miss the ball and not get shape.

Jeff Livingston
 
Blackjack said:
Because we are human.
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Speak for yourself, buddy ... my misses calls me an ANIMAL :D

But seriously, here are a few (including repeats, cause they are pretty common for me as well) :

1- indecision, or thinking of an alternative while down on the ball
2- thinking of what NOT to do, like 'don't scratch in the corner', will cause me to miss the pot and keep the CB well away from that damned corner
3- tensing up on power shots (an old bad habit that I work on, but it keeps creaping into my game at the most inconvenient times ! )
4- my 'loopy' stroke, another old bad habit where I scoop at the ball, used to miscue when applying backspin especially with the CB close to a rail
5- my 'pokey' stroke, yet another bad habit ... where did that backspin go to ?
6- my 'jerk-up yer head' stroke, my oldest bad habit, most often seen on an easy shot near the end of the game when I just have to run to shoot the next ball.

Dave, and if you think I have a lot of old bad pool habits, you've never seen me golf :)
 
drivermaker said:
I have tremendous respect and admiration for a good number of posters on this board and treat them as they should be treated. Any attitude that shows up negative is toward wannabe douche bags like you that have NO background or experience in anything pool related and your stupid hounding questions just like you're doing now with Blackjack that don't mean shit in the whole scheme of things. He told you what he felt about the issue in expilcit detail, but I guess that's not what YOU want to hear. In essence, I said the exact same thing but you didn't want to hear that either. Too bad.....
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No, you don't. And you don't know anything about me. Why so angry? Have I somehow violated the social order here by not bowing down to you? Sorry, I didn't realize you were in the cool kids' clique that got to tell everyone what to think and say. You want to prove you know something about pool? Say something informative. Actually make an attempt to impart some of this vast wealth of pool knowledge you profess to have. Teach us. Save us from ourselves. It's an internet message board! Get over it! Why do you care what the f@#k I post? As far as BlackJack goes, I sent him one post. Is that hounding? Perhaps if you were a little more detail oriented, you could actually be out on tour instead of dispensing your bile to people who want to discuss pool.

As far as this thread, take a look, there are many people who seem quite interested in discussing this subject. Go watch "The Hustler" again and give everyone here a break.
 
JLW said:
As far as this thread, take a look, there are many people who seem quite interested in discussing this subject.
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Eat shit...asshole!! You'll never have my respect. I don't see anyone whining on here about my posts except you...douche bag extraordinare.
Take a look at the #of views for the "old age thread" that I started as well as most of them that I've come up with. When you do something with YOUR life in pool, tell us about it. Maybe you have...over the last few years I've listed mine on this forum...now it's your turn. Tell us what you've done big boy....
 
drivermaker said:
Eat shit...asshole!! You'll never have my respect. I don't see anyone whining on here about my posts except you...douche bag extraordinare.
Take a look at the #of views for the "old age thread" that I started as well as most of them that I've come up with. When you do something with YOUR life in pool, tell us about it. Maybe you have...over the last few years I've listed mine on this forum...now it's your turn. Tell us what you've done big boy....
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Strange........I keep flushing, but you don't go away.
 
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