Why have weekly tournaments on the same night????????

[Milo]

I have a question and would love everyones comments or imput.
Why do pool room and bar owners schedule their tournaments on the same nights as others in their local area??? I have always wondered about this. It seems to me its very counter productive to supporting the sport,and their establishment. I wish more would "work together", which IMO seems to be the answer. Why make the players have to choose?

 

[manwon]

I have a question and would love everyones comments or imput.
Why do pool room and bar owners schedule their tournaments on the same nights as others in their local area??? I have always wondered about this. It seems to me its very counter productive to supporting the sport,and their establishment. I wish more would "work together", which IMO seems to be the answer. Why make the players have to choose?

I also think it would be great if room owners would work together, especially in the area you are talking about. There are many things, not only tournaments that could benefit all concerned. However, this has never been approached Owner to Owner, and this I can factually say since I am one of the room Owners in the area you are talking about. Now in my opinion third parties outside of the Room owners can only stir the pot, and that certainly serves no one.

However, I do not agree that the players should not have a choice, they have every right to freely choose where they want to play. In addition we both know that players will do this based upon the added money first, and then the condition of the equipment. If the equipment is not maintained to the players liking, the players will go some where else.

Outside of that there is nothing more than can be said except, it's just business, and business owners will do what they need to do to keep their business in the Green, or they will lose their Business.

Take Care!!

 

[poolcuemaster]

I run a Friday night tournament for Rack'em in Matthews NC and my job is to get cars in the parking lot between 6 and 11 pm, the tourney starts at 7:30 sharp and usually ends at 3 am. In the Charlotte area if there is not many cars in the lot passerbys just keep going but if the place is happening they stop to check it out, and this has proven itself for many years. It's done for buisness purpose only as I give up all but around five tables by 11 pm when the place is hopping, after starting the tourney on 10 to 14 9 footers. There is not much Friday night competition in our area and we have around twenty in house APA or 8ball Express teams of eight players every night of the week but Friday and Saturday so it's usually packed.--Leonard

 

[NateSchoepf]

I have a question and would love everyones comments or imput.
Why do pool room and bar owners schedule their tournaments on the same nights as others in their local area??? I have always wondered about this. It seems to me its very counter productive to supporting the sport,and their establishment. I wish more would "work together", which IMO seems to be the answer. Why make the players have to choose?

Why make the players choose? your kidding right? why not have a choice as there are some places in the area I live in that have terrible tables, don't add much money, bad area to be in, and act like everyone that plays there should be greatfull for this. I want choices!! I don't want to be forced to go to a tournament because its the only one. How do you expect tournaments to get better for the players, that is if you are talking about wanting things better for the players? If you take away there right to choose, and leave tournaments they are not happy with to play in others how will that help the players? To me, your suggestion sounds counter productive to the sport and the players and they are the ones who will decide which establishments should be supported.
Please, don't assume you should or anyone else should choose for me, I can do that just fine. I'm sure others feel the same.

 

[hilla_hilla]

There are several variables to your question. One of them is player preference, whether they want to play in a tournament with 9ft tables or 7ft tables, 8 or 9 ball and which rules they go by. Another variable is what the room owner wants. A lot of tournaments are not open and do not allow A players. Also some tournament directors make their own 'rules' and sometimes don't let certain players play or are in it for themselves and bend whatever rules they have to, in order to profit for themselves or a friend.

In an ideal world, it would be nice if there was one tournament each night of the week that everyone could go to. But people are people and not everyone plays by the same rules:embarrassed2: .

 

[NateSchoepf]

I have a question and would love everyones comments or imput.
Why do pool room and bar owners schedule their tournaments on the same nights as others in their local area??? I have always wondered about this. It seems to me its very counter productive to supporting the sport,and their establishment. I wish more would "work together", which IMO seems to be the answer. Why make the players have to choose?

I am sorry but what has been suggested here is so wrong on so many levels. Please, think about what you are saying.

You want to get rid of competition because your pool room cant handle it!!

 

[cigjonser]

I am sorry but what has been suggested here is so wrong on so many levels. Please, think about what you are saying.

You want to get rid of competition because your pool room cant handle it!!

I think the intent of the OP's post was more along the lines of crowding a particular day rather then trying to eliminate competition.

Say there are three pool halls in a 30 mile radius and all of them decide to have a tournament. Also, all of them decide to have that tournament on Thursday at 7:00. It would probably be better for everyone if they got together and arranged things so the tournaments weren't all on the same day.

Now, if there were 10 pool halls and/or bars having tournaments, obviously they all couldn't be on different days of the week so that would go out the window, but a little cooperation and coordination would probably benefit all of them.

 

[NateSchoepf]

I think the intent of the OP's post was more along the lines of crowding a particular day rather then trying to eliminate competition.

Say there are three pool halls in a 30 mile radius and all of them decide to have a tournament. Also, all of them decide to have that tournament on Thursday at 7:00. It would probably be better for everyone if they got together and arranged things so the tournaments weren't all on the same day.

Now, if there were 10 pool halls and/or bars having tournaments, obviously they all couldn't be on different days of the week so that would go out the window, but a little cooperation and coordination would probably benefit all of them.

Again, why get rid of competition? How will that help make the tournaments better? Seems we (the players) would be powerless in getting a product that we would want. Oh, and the OP only cares about one pool room and is worried about losing players to better tournaments with better tables and more added money, there pool room is exactly why this is a terrible idea! Make your room better if you want more players, don't try and eliminate the choices for pool players.

 

[manwon]

I think the intent of the OP's post was more along the lines of crowding a particular day rather then trying to eliminate competition.

Say there are three pool halls in a 30 mile radius and all of them decide to have a tournament. Also, all of them decide to have that tournament on Thursday at 7:00. It would probably be better for everyone if they got together and arranged things so the tournaments weren't all on the same day.

Now, if there were 10 pool halls and/or bars having tournaments, obviously they all couldn't be on different days of the week so that would go out the window, but a little cooperation and coordination would probably benefit all of them.

I personally think your point is valid, and since I am the only other pool hall owner in the area the OP is talking about, I can also say that when I opened my room four years ago that was my intent. But there is more to this than meets the eye, and the OP really isn't the person who should be bringing this up, since she isn't the other room owner. Years ago she use to manage the other room, but now other than playing there and running some tournaments she really has no stake in it at all.

In my opinion this is not the place to bring this up in the first place, this should be privately discussed between the owners of the rooms. But, sometimes communication can be a problem even when you are less than 15 miles apart.

Thanks again for your point of view, it certainly is a valid one.

Take care.

 

[rossaroni]

Again, why get rid of competition? How will that help make the tournaments better?

More players at the tournaments for one. If there are three similar tournaments on the same night, they are splitting up the players. The more players the more money to be won.
I think that Milo may have worded her original post wrong. I think she was thinking about the players when she made the post.

 

[pooltchr]

I think Leonard hit on the primary reason. In our area, leagues run Sunday through Thursday. That only leaves a couple of nights where there are enough tables for tournaments.
Randy and I played in Leonard's tournament last night, and I must say it was a very well run tournament. My only problem was that if either of us had made it to the final rounds, we wouldn't have got any sleep at all, since pool school starts up again at 8 this morning. But for anyone with the luxury of being able to sleep in on Saturday morning in the Charlotte area, you should be over there on Friday night, for sure.
Steve

 

[Milo]

Why make the players choose? your kidding right? why not have a choice as there are some places in the area I live in that have terrible tables, don't add much money, bad area to be in, and act like everyone that plays there should be greatfull for this. I want choices!! I don't want to be forced to go to a tournament because its the only one. How do you expect tournaments to get better for the players, that is if you are talking about wanting things better for the players? If you take away there right to choose, and leave tournaments they are not happy with to play in others how will that help the players? To me, your suggestion sounds counter productive to the sport and the players and they are the ones who will decide which establishments should be supported.
Please, don't assume you should or anyone else should choose for me, I can do that just fine. I'm sure others feel the same.

I am not assuming anything. I am asking a simple question. You are entitled to your opinion, and I am entitled to mine. I am just saying that maybe owners could make decisions based on getting the player count up.
2 tourneys on the same night at 15 or so players per tourney. If these tourneys were on different nights, 30 or more players. The numbers speak for themselves.

 

[Milo]

I also think it would be great if room owners would work together, especially in the area you are talking about. There are many things, not only tournaments that could benefit all concerned. However, this has never been approached Owner to Owner, and this I can factually say since I am one of the room Owners in the area you are talking about. Now in my opinion third parties outside of the Room owners can only stir the pot, and that certainly serves no one.

However, I do not agree that the players should not have a choice, they have every right to freely choose where they want to play. In addition we both know that players will do this based upon the added money first, and then the condition of the equipment. If the equipment is not maintained to the players liking, the players will go some where else.

Outside of that there is nothing more than can be said except, it's just business, and business owners will do what they need to do to keep their business in the Green, or they will lose their Business.

Take Care!!

Again, I am asking a simple question and your comments are appreciated.
I would think having 30 players instead of 15 is a good business choice.:smile: Just doesnt make alot of sense to me. I would certainly support both tourneys if they were on different nights.:smile:
You are entitled to do whatever you choose. I dont happen to agree with it.:smile:

 

[JesPiddlin]

When we were competing a few years ago, we had one pool hall we frequented most often and their tournaments were on Friday nights. So were everyone else's at the locations we preferred to play. So, we were unable to play in more than one tournament per week. At first, we were a bit upset about it, but we later decided that if the other places wanted our money, they wouldn't all schedule on the same night. We continued to play where the better tables and better company was at. Saved us a LOT of money to only play in one competition.

Another way to look at it: Count your blessings. If other pool halls want your business/money, they'll have a tournament on a different night (or day) than everyone else, so you can go to their tournament, too. If they don't need your money, they won't. Maybe they're overflowing with players, as it is. If not, it's their own fault for cutting everyone else out.

The only sensible reason we could find for having all the tournaments on the same nights was because it would run so late nobody could stay, if it was on a week night, or if the whole town came.

One of our more recent favorite pool halls was having 9 ball tournaments on the night we were going most and we didn't care to join those. When they said they were going to start doing Scotch Double tournaments on that night, soon, we started bringing another couple with us and practicing up. We found out later that they were having the tournaments in the daytime, so it didn't matter. Great idea, but we couldn't be there in the daytime, so we finally gave up. We still go there, but we don't do any tournaments. We just enjoy our evening of games. The other couple quit going, finally. Anyway, my point is to show that when they do schedule something at a different time, there's always a chance it won't be a time you can go.

 

[manwon]

More players at the tournaments for one. If there are three similar tournaments on the same night, they are splitting up the players. The more players the more money to be won.
I think that Milo may have worded her original post wrong. I think she was thinking about the players when she made the post.

This is business, the tournament that has the more to offer, added money, good equipment, and good completion will win long term. Now on the other hand if the owners talked, and set things up so there was no over lap that would also work, but third parties should stay out of it.

But, who would get the best nights out of a given week? For instance locally Wednesday night is the best night during the week for a tournament. That night attracts more players because the main BCA League nights are TUE and Thur. I personally think the players will choose the tournament they want to attend, and they are the only ones who really have the right to make that decision.

Take care

 

[Milo]

I am sorry but what has been suggested here is so wrong on so many levels. Please, think about what you are saying.

You want to get rid of competition because your pool room cant handle it!!

LOL I am not saying that. You are kidding right? All I am saying is it makes more sense to help one another. Rather than having the tourneys on the same night. And you are right, I cant make the decision for you. You only have one choice. Take Care.

 

[Milo]

I think the intent of the OP's post was more along the lines of crowding a particular day rather then trying to eliminate competition.

Say there are three pool halls in a 30 mile radius and all of them decide to have a tournament. Also, all of them decide to have that tournament on Thursday at 7:00. It would probably be better for everyone if they got together and arranged things so the tournaments weren't all on the same day.

Now, if there were 10 pool halls and/or bars having tournaments, obviously they all couldn't be on different days of the week so that would go out the window, but a little cooperation and coordination would probably benefit all of them.

Thank you very much. You explained my thoughts better than I did.

 

[Milo]

More players at the tournaments for one. If there are three similar tournaments on the same night, they are splitting up the players. The more players the more money to be won.
I think that Milo may have worded her original post wrong. I think she was thinking about the players when she made the post.

Yes, I did word it wrong. I am only thinking of the players.
As a player, I would go to both if on different nights.

 

[JesPiddlin]

Yes, I did word it wrong. I am only thinking of the players.
As a player, I would go to both if on different nights.

That's the way I look at it, too. I would RATHER have more tournaments to go to through the week, if I'm playing regularly.

 

[NateSchoepf]

I am not assuming anything. I am asking a simple question. You are entitled to your opinion, and I am entitled to mine. I am just saying that maybe owners could make decisions based on getting the player count up.
2 tourneys on the same night at 15 or so players per tourney. If these tourneys were on different nights, 30 or more players. The numbers speak for themselves.

Thanks for letting me know I am entitled to my own opinion, I couldnt have figured that out on my own, next you will make sure I don't have to decide what pool tournament to play in.