Why I Post The Way I Do

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i meant no harm in 9-ball has no patteren play. 2 things. i believe it has no patteren play, you must take the next highest ball, PERIOD in 8-ball, any stripe is legal, therefore, you could choose the ORDER in which the balls come off the table. 2nd. thing, the reason why i write about hating 9-ball is because, for those who grew up in the 1960's you know the beatles rule, and now music sucks. same thing about pool, straight was "the game of champions" and 9-ball is for babys. i'm trying to preserve the best of pocket billiards.
 
I think it takes more skill to become a good straight pool player then compared to 9 ball.

My game choice is one poket..............it is the chess of pool. Ya gotta think about the game....not just count to 9.....lol!
 
THE SILENCER said:
...i'm trying to preserve the best of pocket billiards.
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If you really want to preserve the BEST of pocket billiards, get into One Pocket, the Ultimate Pocket Billiard Game...

Troy
 
I myself think 10ball should be the game any pro tournament should be playing.. makes things a lot tougher.. no corner ball to fly in off the break.. plus its surprising how much 1 more ball can conglomerate a table...
 
I think there is a place for all games. I like to mix um up. nine ball, straight pool, one pocket, and eight ball. When you are finished , there is no doubt who the best all around player is. After all, it is just a game isn't it.
Don P.
 
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Troy said:
If you really want to preserve the BEST of pocket billiards, get into One Pocket, the Ultimate Pocket Billiard Game...

Troy
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I would pick 15-ball rotation as a tougher game to master than one-pocket. I've seen countless 8 and outs in one-hole, but not many two-packs of rotation.
 
billfishead, I have a friend who lives in the D.C. area who heads to Flordia once a month. He is a one hole player and is always looking foe action. Big gambler, fair player. I am not sure where he goes but will find out and let you know. Plenty of $ there.
Don P.
 
You know, I have a friend who loves one pocket and 14.1. He says they're a true measure of ability, while 9 ball is just for bangers and people with no thought process. He also happens to be a damn fine player of both one pocket and 14.1. I very rarely play with him because I don't know the moves for one pocket, and 14.1 can get to be boring with so much waiting between turns. When I do play with him, though, he'll usually whip me in one pocket (I never play one pocket except with him, as I don't really care for the game), and we'll split the straight matches. However, in 9 ball, I NEVER lose. Never. Why is that, especially since he's a superior player in those other two games, he's a good thinker in those games, and 9 ball is for "people with no thought process?"

Answer: because 9 ball requires DIFFERENT thinking, not NO thinking. All pool games are different, requiring different strategies and PATTERNS (yeah, I said it). There is nothing that makes any one game better than any other, and being good at one doesn't mean you'll be good at another. I saw Scott Frost whoop Bustamante's behind at the 2003 US Open in one pocket over and over, but I seriously doubt Frost would've played head up with Busty at 9 ball. Since Frost whipped Busty at one pocket, does that mean Frost is a better pool player in general?

As far as THE SILENCER's (heh, that makes me giggle for some reason) opinion that 8 ball is superior to 9 ball, it's only an opinion, and I would guess that out of real players (not casual bangers), it's in the distinct minority. Eight ball is for the masses, hence it's popularity in pool leagues. Look at the numbers for membership in the APA. Many, many, many more people play in their 8 ball leagues than 9 ball leagues. The reason is that most 8 ballers ranked 5 or lower can't play 9 ball worth a lick because of some of the tough position plays necessary for 9 ball.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying 9 ball is a better game than 8 ball. I don't think there is such a thing as one game being better than another, since that would be an absolute and I believe in very few absolutes. My point is that all games should be shown equal respect as they all require different tactics, strategies, and pattern recognition.

I would wager to guess that THE SILENCER is a lot like my friend who loves one pocket and 14.1. THE SILENCER loves 8 ball because he's good at it, he understands it. I'd bet he hates 9 ball because he sucks at it (which must be true since he can't recognize the patterns in 9 ball). I don't like one pocket because I suck at it. My friend doesn't like 9 ball because he sucks at it. We all have dislike for what we don't understand, but that doesn't mean that we should declare that those things we don't understand to be invalid.

In any case, the only way to determine a true pocket billiards champion is to have the players play all pocket billiards games. The closest thing we have to that is the DCC, and for that I'm very thankful.

-djb
 
I'm not sure I agree about playing better ball position with 9 ball. I think it's the other way around. Think about it, you have 15 balls to work around vs. just 9. To me that's a little more challenging. I especially like it when you are playing 9 and someone goofs on the 5 or 6....it's almost a sure win.

I like 9 for the fact it changes the pace a little and I do have to think differently. Also, I have to think faster in a sense as the game play usually doesn't last as long as 8 ball, and one mistake can be fatal at 9 ball.

Honestly I like both games, but prefer 8 ball. I haven't even played One Pocket or 14.1 even though I've heard about both since visiting these forums. Can someone point me to a set of OFFICIAL rules for each game...I'll have some time to learn it now since I just got my new table moved last night.
 
Billfishhead, I'm in Daytona every summer
& hope to be in St. Pete's. I'm always trying
to find 1 hole players. I gamble, but not
for big bucks. Keep in touch.
 
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I'm not sure I agree about playing better ball position with 9 ball. I think it's the other way around. Think about it, you have 15 balls to work around vs. just 9. To me that's a little more challenging. I especially like it when you are playing 9 and someone goofs on the 5 or 6....it's almost a sure win.

I like 9 for the fact it changes the pace a little and I do have to think differently. Also, I have to think faster in a sense as the game play usually doesn't last as long as 8 ball, and one mistake can be fatal at 9 ball.

Honestly I like both games, but prefer 8 ball. I haven't even played One Pocket or 14.1 even though I've heard about both since visiting these forums. Can someone point me to a set of OFFICIAL rules for each game...I'll have some time to learn it now since I just got my new table moved last night.
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I wasn't saying that position play was harder with 9 ball in general. I was saying it's harder for 8 ball APA 5's and below. They're generally not trying to run out in 8 ball - they're just trying to make as many as they can and then duck. Therefore, they don't have learn to make the tough plays like 3 and 4 rail shape shots (and therefore don't use them) that are necessary to know for good 9 ball.

In any case, making a mistake at any high level of play can be fatal at any game, not just 9 ball. Ending your 14.1 turn at 140 with a boo-boo and watching the other player run 60 and out can be pretty excruciating. Missing the 8 ball and leaving an open table with no blockers should also be a sure loss.

As far as the belief that 8 ball has tougher position because there are more balls on the table, that's not necessarily true, either. At the beginning of the game, with all 15 OBs on the table, you have 7 balls you can shoot with 8 potential blockers. After that first shot, there are still six balls to shoot with the 8 blockers. So at the beginning of the game, position is a little easier, simply because you have many options, even if you make a mistake. In 9 ball, with all 9 balls on the table at the beginning, you only have one ball to shoot, with 8 potential blockers. After that first shot, you still have only one ball to shoot, but now only 7 potential blockers. The difference between 8 ball and 9 ball is that position generally becomes easier toward the END of the game in 9, while position is easier at the BEGINNING of the game in 8. However, in 9 ball you regularly have to plan to go up and down the table using whatever means necessary (1-5 rail position plays), while in 8 ball, it's possible to plan your routes so that is unnecessary. I wouldn't say that either game is tougher positionally, but I do think people who play primarily 8 ball have a more difficult time getting used to the requirements for shape in 9 ball than 9 ballers switching to 8 ball. No matter which you play primarily, you still have to get used to the patterns and adjust.
 
Hondo > If you would e-mail me @ i wanted to ask you 2 unrelated things re. 1 pocket and southern fiction writers. Ghost
 
I don't like 8 ball. Everyone has a little different twist on the rules. I agree with everything DoomCue said.

I do like 9 ball but I also like 1h. Every game, even 1h and 14-1, can have a certain amount of luck associated with them but certainly not as much as 8 ball and 9 ball.

I agree there are players that excel at certain games and you see that a lot. I guess that's what makes Efren stand out. Does anyone think Scott Frost would like playing Efren 1h heads up?
 
i read your complaints, and i've known you've been sworn in, ha ha, no here's the thing, suppose the year was 1968. and there was something called diners, they had all different types of food. meatloaf,burgers,shakes,fries,coke, maybe meatballs and spaghetti,etc.etc. cut to 2004. now today there are only resturants that sell tacos. no other food exists. it's tacos, or starve to death. now, one can argue that tacos are exciting, tacos are spicy, tacos cause gas, which could be funny. but i say, it's just tacos, where is the variety? all games have their beauty, let them all shine through.
 
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LastTwo said:
I would pick 15-ball rotation as a tougher game to master than one-pocket. I've seen countless 8 and outs in one-hole, but not many two-packs of rotation.
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I, too, think that proficiency in 15 Ball rotation makes it easier to adjust to playing the other diciplines like 8 & 9 ball, 1 pocket and 14.1. Add to that rotation prowess above average 3C abilities and you've got an Efren Reyes who can win titles in all of the above diciplines.
Just my .02 cents
 
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