Why is Pool no where close to what GOLF is????

Sam Snead was witnessed whacking rocks, by a rich man. The rich man took him to a Country Club. Sam was matched up against another player & actually was a few holes behind, when he asked his sponsor if he could remove his newly purchased shoes. After removing his shoes, he opened up & beat the feloow. Sam used to say, after whacking a huge drive, "gosh it must have hit a rock, did you see that thing roll"?

Trevino played at Tennyson in Dallas, remember the Dr Pepper Bottle? It was a rich man that got Trevino's start for him.... just like all other starts, somebody with some pull or cash.
 
ceebee said:
Sam Snead was witnessed whacking rocks, by a rich man. The rich man took him to a Country Club. Sam was matched up against another player & actually was a few holes behind, when he asked his sponsor if he could remove his newly purchased shoes. After removing his shoes, he opened up & beat the feloow. Sam used to say, after whacking a huge drive, "gosh it must have hit a rock, did you see that thing roll"?

Trevino played at Tennyson in Dallas, remember the Dr Pepper Bottle? It was a rich man that got Trevino's start for him.... just like all other starts, somebody with some pull or cash.

I guess I don't understand your point. My point is that both players were OUTSTANDING golfers before they met any rich men.

The issue in debate is whether golf is essentially a rich man's sport and that has never been true.

Just because wealthy people sponsor poor people doesn't change that fact.

Regards,
Jim
 
DaveK said:
Some comments :

"When Van Cortlandt Golf Course opened in New York City in 1895, it became the first public golf course in America. There were other golf courses in the U.S. by that time - perhaps 100 or more - but Van Cortlandt was the first built for the masses."

from http://golf.about.com/cs/historyofgolf/a/hist_oldestuspu.htm

"The Shinnecock Hills club gets credit as the first to have a real course built on rural turf. The area chosen was along of the Great Peconic Bay on Eastern Long Island and shares were sold at $100 each. A clubhouse was erected and in 1891 play commenced."

from http://www.thegolfchannel.com/core.aspx?page=30310&select=6936&select2=2

The Royal Montreal Course, the oldest in North America, remains quite exclusive I believe.

Golf hasn't always been an accessible game.

Dave

There are LOTS of courses that claim to be the first...
"Oakhurst
AMERICA'S FIRST GOLF COURSE

Established in 1884, Restored for play in 1994.
Sand Tees ~ Hickory Clubs ~ "Guttie Balls" ~ Sheep Grazed Fairways.
Listed on the National Register of Historic Places since 2000."

The distinctions vary but include:

The first actual holes.

The first 9 holes.

The first 18 holes.

The first "organized golf club"

The first club with a club house.

The first private club

The first public club

...and the list goes on.

But the FACT of the matter is that golf was BROUGHT to North America by Scottish/English immigrants who, for the most part were not anything resembling wealthy.

And the game WAS played by the masses on pasture land all over the U.S. in its earliest days buy DIRT POOR people like Snead and MOST others who became top name pros.

But most importantly, today the game is played MOSTLY by non-wealthy people who play the public links which outnumber the private clubs by about 2-1.

And MANY play with ENTIRE sets that can be bought at WalMart for less than $200.00 INCLUDING THE GOLF BAG!!!

I got hustled at a public course out of greens fees plus $50.00 by a guy who looked like he slept in his cloths and propositioned me...an 11 handicap at the time...to a match where he used only a 2 iron, 6 iron and sand wedge.

Beat me 81/84.

(-:
 
PinoyAko said:
I have a question?
if gambling and hustling is what u say is the problem then why is pool in the philippines thriving.Pinoys r said to hone their skills through money games and any player in the philippines no matter what speed will get a crowd. and there is a table around every corner and there is always a crowd

Because the Philippines has a very different outlook on gambling than the US. It is also legal to have cock fights over there. Here, even a pro NFL players goes to jail for dog fighting. For pool to grow here, it MUST get corporate america onboard. And long as there is gambling associated with it, corporate america will run the other way. A few years ago, there was a decent event held at grand central station in NYC. The event even had a HUGE beer sponsor and was covered by ESPN. Then one of the beer execs saw the TC (Scott Smith) taking bets for everyone. At the end of the event, sponsor stated that they had no interest in continuing there support!
 
Fleece3 said:
Because the Philippines has a very different outlook on gambling than the US. It is also legal to have cock fights over there. Here, even a pro NFL players goes to jail for dog fighting. For pool to grow here, it MUST get corporate america onboard. And long as there is gambling associated with it, corporate america will run the other way. A few years ago, there was a decent event held at grand central station in NYC. The event even had a HUGE beer sponsor and was covered by ESPN. Then one of the beer execs saw the TC (Scott Smith) taking bets for everyone. At the end of the event, sponsor stated that they had no interest in continuing there support!
Gambling has nothing to do with it. If gambling is "bad" how do you explain the sponsorships in poker? It is pure gambling and it is celebrated.

Organization always has and still is the issue everything else stems from that.
 
there is gambling in every sport....

gambling isn't the problem there is a lot of big money bet in golf, on and of the course and that's a fact. the reason golf is so big is because it has had many advocates over the past 300 years that were willing to put alot of money on the line to support its growth. noone is willing to do that in pool, any wealthy sponsor who acts like they are going to support pool as a professional sport ends up scamming the players and sport patrons. what we need a well known corporation to support pool, a corporation that is nonpool related. not another self proclaimed millionaire from writing self help books. nonpool related sponsors get word of the sport to people who know nothing about it, that is what is needed. right now most people that start to play pool do so because someone in their family played, or happened to be in a bar and for some reason got into a local pool tournament and became hooked for life...

pool just needs exposure from the right people willing to put the money on the line for the proper exposure. JS
 
To compare pro pool to any other pro sport is wrong IMO.

All other sports bend over backwards to provide equal opportunity to both parties.

Pools short race, winners break format, is unique.

There may be other games like it, but I cant think of any.

I'm not gonna say that this makes pool better or worse, but it does make it different.


Justin Nuder
 
JCIN said:
Gambling has nothing to do with it. If gambling is "bad" how do you explain the sponsorships in poker? It is pure gambling and it is celebrated.

Organization always has and still is the issue everything else stems from that.

You might consider the distinction between legal gambling in Vegas or Reno and illegal gambling in Grand Central Station.

Regards,
Jim
 
av84fun said:
You might consider the distinction between legal gambling in Vegas or Reno and illegal gambling in Grand Central Station.

Regards,
Jim
Uhhh yeah. Because no one plays poker for money except in Reno or Vegas or a riverboat casino and all the ads from Milwaulke Best Light say "We are sponsoring this show about a gambling game but you should only do it where it is legal"

People can wail and gnash their teeth all they like about gambling but it has been and always will be a part of American culture. It just so happens that at this point in time it is one of the hottest past times going with major corporate and even network television support. The sad thing is that it has gutted pool in the process.
 
JCIN said:
Uhhh yeah. Because no one plays poker for money except in Reno or Vegas or a riverboat casino and all the ads from Milwaulke Best Light say "We are sponsoring this show about a gambling game but you should only do it where it is legal"

People can wail and gnash their teeth all they like about gambling but it has been and always will be a part of American culture. It just so happens that at this point in time it is one of the hottest past times going with major corporate and even network television support. The sad thing is that it has gutted pool in the process.

Really? On what do you base that opinion?

And with respect to major advertiser support, you seem to have missed the point. Can you cite an example where a major advertiser has sponsored a program that featured gambling that was illegal where it was taking place?

Seems to me sponsors (and Hall of Fame induction committees) are a little picky about that sort of thing. I imagine you recall who Pete Rose is.

Regards,
Jim
 
JCIN said:
Uhhh yeah. Because no one plays poker for money except in Reno or Vegas or a riverboat casino and all the ads from Milwaulke Best Light say "We are sponsoring this show about a gambling game but you should only do it where it is legal"

People can wail and gnash their teeth all they like about gambling but it has been and always will be a part of American culture. It just so happens that at this point in time it is one of the hottest past times going with major corporate and even network television support. The sad thing is that it has gutted pool in the process.

very true, pool will never be poker......anyone can read a poker book and be a world champion in 6 months..that will never happen in pool ....
 
JCIN said:
Gambling has nothing to do with it. If gambling is "bad" how do you explain the sponsorships in poker? It is pure gambling and it is celebrated.

Organization always has and still is the issue everything else stems from that.

Granted, organization is vital but so is MONEY without which all the organization in the world won't buy any pork chops.

The women are relatively well organized and have been for 20+ years. The men are in a state of general disarray...and yet the TV ratings...using last year's BCA event as an example are roughly the same.

The issue is that both groups lack substantial funding...combined with the fact that it is the nature of pool in today's U.S. society that even the most devoted players in the general public would much rather play pool than watch it either in person or on TV (PPV or otherwise)...as you know as well as anyone.

Regards,
Jim
 
jamesroberts said:
very true, pool will never be poker......anyone can read a poker book and be a world champion in 6 months..that will never happen in pool ....

OK...come on now...admit it. You are just make preposterous statements like that and your views on breaking in the other thread for fun right?

Very clever. I thought for a while you were being serious!

LOL
 
WOW!!! Awesome comments from all, thanks for a great read!!!

I play golf and love to watch it on TV, never been to a PGA event but I will take what a friend told me and stick to watching it on TV, he said after about 1/2 hour, all he wanted to do is play and ended up spending $100 on the closest to the pin challange they had set up.

I hope pool gets more air time some how, I liked the suggestion of setting up money matches like the old golf money matches that they air on the golf channel from time to time, I would enjoy that.

I plan on going to DCC and to Vegas in May for BCA this year, I hope that all the talk about big money games and lots of action was not over done?? I don't consider myself to be more than a little better than average pool player and I will agree with a former poster who had said, the best times he had playing pool was before he got more serious about pool ect..., I know that when I first started playing one or two tournaments a month(local bar tournaments) and apa league once a week that it was more fun than I am having now. I am now distracted and irritated by everything going on around me(loud music, drunks, bangers, ect...) and before, when I was only playing a once maybe twice a week it did not bother me so bad.

Also, I am in Washington state and I will say, after the smoking ban was enforced I noticed more tournament players and league players, many who said they would not play if smoking was not banned. I don't know what I would do if they let smoking back into the bars and pool halls, I love not stinking when I get home.

Hope some of the posters to this thread get more involved in making pool better for the pro's and fans, lots of great ideas and minds.

Nate.
 
When pool becomes a game that attracts the wealthy like golf, it will be as big as golf. The best courses are hundreds to play, and country clubs can get into 6 figures. The best pool hall with brand new diamond tables is what....8 bucks an hour?
 
av84fun said:
OK...come on now...admit it. You are just make preposterous statements like that and your views on breaking in the other thread for fun right?

Very clever. I thought for a while you were being serious!

LOL

nope im dead serious
 
I think there are many wealthy people who play pool, maybe not as many as golf but I know plenty of players who are well off.

In Bellevue, Washington, there is a pool hall/club/bar, called The Parlor, I believe they charge as much as $18 per hour depending on the day and time. They also have private rooms you can rent, 3 tables in each(high quality) big TV's, dvd players ect.., leather sofas, chairs ect.... A great place for super bowl party or world series, or maybe some business clients you want to take out, they go for something like $150 an hour, max 25-30 people, super nice rooms. Thats not a drop in the bucket for most, so I would say there are plenty of people with money into pool.

I would say, like already posted, pool needs the big sponsers, Cars, Hotel chains, Clothing companys, ect...
 
JCIN said:
Uhhh yeah. Because no one plays poker for money except in Reno or Vegas or a riverboat casino and all the ads from Milwaulke Best Light say "We are sponsoring this show about a gambling game but you should only do it where it is legal"

People can wail and gnash their teeth all they like about gambling but it has been and always will be a part of American culture. It just so happens that at this point in time it is one of the hottest past times going with major corporate and even network television support. The sad thing is that it has gutted pool in the process.

hey justin i have a question for you.....will shane play someone rack your own 9 ball? if not why not? thanks
 
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