Why is Pool no where close to what GOLF is????

Corporate golf club memberships

Ltldebbie said:
Nate,
Good question but,......I'm not sure that more people play pool than golf. I haven't looked at your profile so I don't know how old you are but I think I'm probably just a little older.

1) If there are more pool players than golfers they are just bangers or social pool players. Like "I think that girl/or guy is cute. I'll ask him to play.

2) Do you really think there are more pool halls in the U.S. than golf courses?
I mean Pool halls not bars.

In my town of 8,000 there are 5 golf courses within 10 miles and not one pool hall. I have to go at Least 15 miles to the west, 45 miles to the North, or 25 miles to the south before I can go to a pool hall. Within that same radius there are probably 40 golf courses (if I include the par 3's).

Golf is socially acceptabele place to do business. Do you know how many companies actually pay their management,to take customers to the golf course??

Golf has been televised since television began. Pool still has a socially acceptable stigma. Nobodies fault. Its just a mothers myth. There is even a line in an old musical There's Trouble in this town and it starts with a P and that's Pool

Sorry just what I have observed over the years.

How many corporations would pay your pool hall dues or league memberships? How many multimillion dollar deals have been consummated in pool halls? How many stock tips did you get in a pool hall?

The Salt of the Earth goes to pool halls. Look at the image of working class people in popular culture. Karl Marx would be comfortable in a pool hall. Karl Rove would be comfortable on a golf course.

Mother Jones would be comfortable in a pool hall. Hillary Clinton on a golf course.

Jimmy Hoffa or Harry Bridges in a pool hall. Robert Kennedy on a golf course. Which one would fight for your rights or walk on a picket line with you?
 
Kind of sums it up. Lots of ups and downs trying to unify and someone (preferrably a group of individuals not seeking immediate rewards), who won't give up easily, has got to lead
JCIN said:
If you do not have the organization you will never get the money. Argue against it all you like. History proves me right. The sad thing for mens pool is when they did have organization they managed to shoot themselves in the foot every time.

How much money was in stock car racing in the 50's before NASCAR really locked down and got everyone headed in the same direction? Every succsessful major sport in the world has a strong central governing body that holds teams and athletes accountable, provides structure and responsibility to sponsors. MLB, NHRA, NBA, F1, NFL, you cant name one without it other than Poker and that is on the way with the WPT. But poker is a whole other can of worms.

Pool is what it is, I don't have any illusions as to it recieving wide spread acceptance in the general public. I am confident that I do have a pretty good idea of what it would take but the catch is even if you did have everything in place, money, organization, the right people in the lead.....you would still have to get lucky. Personally I would love to see the game be in the spotlight but I am not going to tilt at that windmill just now. I am busy putting together things that will happen and are affordable for the die hard fans and a few n00bs to enjoy and along the way showcase some players even some avid fans havent had a chance to watch.

This comes up every month here and all the same answers come out, I am sure the answer to the problem lies somewhere in the reams of text on this subject. I gotta go back to work.

JAM said:
I assume you are talking about pool in the United States. Right? Because pool in Philippines, as an example, is pretty big. In fact, Efren Reyes is the Tiger Woods of the Philippines for sure!

My opinion, the reason why pool is not popular in America, is that pool is associated with hustling, much more than golf in America is associated with hustling.

Most Americans have little or no respect for professional pool players. There are even some within the American pool culture who think of professional pool player as:

"bottom-feeders";
"scum of the earth";
"homeless bums if they have no girlfriends";
and/or my favorite, "ranked well below garbage collectors."

Some of these same persons in the American pool culture who demean professional pool players are the very ones sitting in the front row when there is a gambling match in progress. They have a love-hate relationship, it seems to me, with pool players. Gambling is dirty and vile to them. Yet many of them seem to flock to the DCC in Louisville each year to see gambling at its finest.

Gambling is a hard sell to mainstream America, as is hustling. Minnesota Fats and Willie Mosconi brought pool in the limelight with their back-and-forth banter they shared in their grudge matches. ESPN picked right up on it, but it soon faded in popularity. Pool never shined so bright as it did when these two guys were in their prime in America.

Pool did enjoy a small pick-me-up in popularity when a movie came out starring Paul Newman and Tom Cruise hustling their way to a big tournament in Atlantic City, but it wasn't enough to keep pool thriving in the professional sports realm.

That said, pool is popular in America for social shooters, bar bangers, and league players. It is the best thing going for pool, in fact, in the States.

Professional pool is dead in the water. With rack riggers in 9-ball, no legitimate ranking system for American male pros, at least one that is adhered to, and low payouts for most tournaments, professional pool continues to have one tire in the mud in America.

I have been a pool enthusiast my entire adult life, and I am 54 years old today. The best times I ever had in pool was when I was a social shooter, bar banger, and league player. My opinion of professional pool, after seeing it up front and close, is not a good one. I had a much better time with pool when I did not follow the American tournament trail. Professional pool offers not much for an American professional player.

Which brings me to my usual retort. The existing lot of American professional players is diminishing. Like the great white American buffalo, they wander in a wilderness with not much to thrive on. In the words of one great American legend, "a little bone with not much meat on it." Soon these fine American thoroughbreds will venture overseas where the opportunities will become abundant. JMHO, FWIW!

JAM

Blackjack said:
First of all, we're not golf.

We're not tennis.

We're not NASCAR.

We're not poker.

We're pool.

Our game has a reputation with the mainstream public that has created certain stereotypes. Not all the stereotypes fit the people involved in our sport, some do.

Our main problem is that we continue to market our game as something that it isn't. Whenever we have generated outside support and outside industry sponsorship - we somehow don't deliver what the sponsors expected.

Our game exists within a bubble - a bubble that was constructed by those who seek power within the bubble of our little pool world. They keep our game in a small containable state to ensure that their position of power is not threatened. This bubble is steered by a few cliques that follow these rules of survival:

1) Practice Selective Inclusion
2) Generate Self Serving Business Deals and Self Serving Profit
3) Proceed With Contained Progression

Selective inclusion within the power structure of the billiard world bubble is at the core of the problem. For years I have believed that any idea that makes sense is immediately dismissed because those in power feel threatened by the results of too much progress. They are always looking to see what is in it for them, and their close nit group of associates that go along for the pleasure cruise (while others sit on the sidelines watching the insanity). They need to contain the progression of our sport so that they can keep it manageable - and to ensure that they maintain their control within the bubble.

These same people live by the motto that says - "As long as WE are making money - who cares if we have widespread marketability?"

They just make sure that they are taken care of, and the hell with everybody else. These same people will tell you that any attempt at unifying our sport (which has been the key to success in tennis, golf, bowling, etc) is ludicrous and will never work. They are happy captaining their own pirate ship.

Meanwhile, golf, tennis, MMA, poker - they have all found an avenue of widespread marketability for their product. They attract sponsorship for their events and their stars. This money comes into their sport and then they are able to build their assets around their tour. We have failed to do this because we refuse to burst that bubble I spoke of a few paragraphs ago.

Buick has nothing to do with golf, yet they sponsor Tiger Woods - they sponsor events - and they connect the sport with their product through Tiger's image.

Pool needs to find an avenue of widespread marketability - we need gather a group of people together that are not afraid to stand up and show the door to the current "Bubble Kings" that keep our sport where it is for their own profitability and amusement - we need to keep moving forward and develop our sport into something we can all be proud of.

The trouble we have now is that our sport is divided. We have regional tours, mens tours, womens tours, wheelchair tours, trick shots, this league, that league, the other league, it never ends. All these entities are running as fast as they can in 150 different directions. They step on each other, all in the name of "business". This is why we are getting nowhere.

I believe that if they all got together in the same room and realized what the game would be if they combined their efforts and resources, then perhaps we'd get somewhere. For now, they choose to use what little profit they are are making as an excuse not to do that. Welcome to the wonderful world of pool in 2008.
 
berlowmj said:
Which one would fight for your rights or walk on a picket line with you?

The poolplayers and some did here in the Philippines. And yes it drew immediate attention and got results.
 
JCIN said:
It has been my experience that Shane will play just about anybody anything on a pool table within reason (probably not gonna play Efren or Cliff any even one hole).

If you are talking about Corey that game is there for the taking, matter of fact Scooter woofed at Shane about it in Olathe and Shane held out his phone and said "Call him."

I have no doubt that at some point those 2 will tangle again.

no i really didnt mean that......i was just tryin to see if you think 9 ball is a breaking contest.....lol
 
av84fun said:
OK...come on now...admit it. You are just make preposterous statements like that and your views on breaking in the other thread for fun right?

Very clever. I thought for a while you were being serious!

LOL

what is preposterous about my statement?
 
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