Then please, explain to us all how referendum voting works.
Why Pool is devastated by the new Smoking Laws.
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Then please, explain to us all how referendum voting works.
It's been done at the county level and local level in my area. Folks whined and moaned when restaurants became non smoking but it had zero effect on business. We had one county institute a smoking ban at all public businesses. It initially hurt the pool rooms because folks simply went across the county line to play at the smoking establishments. Now, pool rooms in both counties share the business pretty much equally.
I firmly believe the solution is to institute air quality standards in all public places. Then it's up to the business owner how they meet those standards. A decent air filtration unit might be a better solution than a smoking ban.
Of course, we're not really talking about smoking "bans". We're talking about folks having the decency to walk outside to smoke.
38 of 50 states so far have enacted legislation implementing state wide smoking bans. All of this is done under reference and pressure from the EPA (Federal Government). Some local governments have enacted their own ordinances when the states have been slow to act. Once the states laws are in force, they supersede local ordinances.
You can look at it state by state:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/...ate-by-sta_n_826672.html#s244219&title=Alaska
This one makes me laugh
California:
Statewide smoking ban for all enclosed spaces, with a few exceptions including 65 percent of rooms in a hotel or motel, warehouse facilities and theatrical production sites if smoking is determined to be key to the narrative.
Anything is acceptable for the sake of the arts
California:
Statewide smoking ban for all enclosed spaces, with a few exceptions including 65 percent of rooms in a hotel or motel, warehouse facilities and theatrical production sites if smoking is determined to be key to the narrative.
Anything is acceptable for the sake of the arts
This is not accurate. There is not a statewide ban but it's a county by county thing. Many, many counties have banned smoking. Harris county (Houston area) has a smoking ban.
Texas:
No statewide ban. Smoking is prohibited in licensed childcare centers (and their corresponding vehicles, playgrounds, etc.), in most areas of government buildings, and in many movie theaters, museums and more. But there are no restrictions on private workplaces, restaurants or bars.
Texas:
No statewide ban. Smoking is prohibited in licensed childcare centers (and their corresponding vehicles, playgrounds, etc.), in most areas of government buildings, and in many movie theaters, museums and more. But there are no restrictions on private workplaces, restaurants or bars.
Except it was many community groups that brought it to the pols attentions, and those groups sought the pols help in sponsoring the legislation to promote "smoke free" environments. The majority rules, correct. For the record, IL is a smoke free state, not county by county.
When smokers were the majority, you got it your way for the last 200 years, now we are gonna try it our way for the next 200, and after that we can negotiate......
You asked how the legeslation is done in post #441.
Mr.S, if this thread runs much longer, smoking and its effect on pool will be gone, cough cough .......................:groucho:
You're absolutely right. I'm done. :smile:
You hear this type of argument all the time. However, obesity in one person does not affect another. A persons "right" to smoke does affect the health of those that otherwise choose not to be harmed by the habit. The "rights" of a person to smoke do exist, just not over the rights of others aroun them to not be affected by it, thus they are the ones go have to take he habit elsewhere. It makes common sense.
This discussion is futile. The rule is going to expand, not shrink. This, pool either needs to adapt to it and find ways to thrive, or continue to complain about it instead, and continue to become more and more irrelevant as a choice of people for entertainent.
I still smoke. Sad but true. My Basic Civil Rights end when mine encroach on yours.
I have no problem leaving the building to smoke. Why should have to smell like a ashtray because of me? Why should you have to go home with a cough and burning eyes? I'm glad I have to smoke outside just like at home. It's a dirty habit.
I think this is a dead issue and there are bigger infringements on our Civil Rights that could be addressed. Big Brother is everywhere.
It hasn't hurt pool in my neck of the woods.
I agree. It was the ban combined with the fact that someone could smoke while they did these other things. It made the choice easy. You can go to the casino and play the slots and smoke. You can go over to your buddy's house and play poker and smoke. You can stay home and do facebook and smoke. You can play video games at home and smoke. To a young smoker, "Who needs pool if you can't smoke while you do it? I will go do something else."
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The people concerned with second hand smoke, allowed to occur by the person who own the business, have every right in the world not to go in that establishment. That establishment is not a public building rather, a privately held business. Your argument implies an inalienable right to go into a privately owned property, such right doesn't exist. Nor should it.
In the case of buildings where people must go, such as schools, court house, bureau of motor vehicles, doctor office, etc., I would agree with a smoking ban.
your right dead nuts!!!!!!
That may be true regarding the patrons, but then the argument arises where each person should have the right to work anywhere without having to sustain second hand smoke illnesses.
It's a silly argument at this point. Why people feel their rights are intro he'd upon because they can't blow smoke on others, when they could just go outside is beyond me. Anytime what you do affects others, it is no longer just your rights that are being affected, and it becomes something that go earning bodies now have some say over.
Your argument is kind of like saying, "who is the government to limit how much we can drink and still drive just because so many peoria die from drunk drivers.
It's a mute point now. Pool needs to move on and get over it because it isn't going to change.
Also, who is the health department to tell restaurants they can't serve food however they want. Why should the restaurant have to follow rules that ensure the safe digestion of their food? The answer is obvious, just as it is here. I don't mean to sound brash or insensitive to the inconvenience to smokers, because i do get it. However, to argue that it doesn't make sense or that it infriges on your rights over others just doesn't hold water here.
Sorry about typos. I typed it on my phone and it keeps changing words that i sometimes don't catch.
You don't believe obese people affects others? Ever had to sit between two fat people on an airplane or tram?
We haven't seen a decline in business
We play out of Matthews NC at Rackem Pub and Billiards. It took some adjusting but we haven't seen a decline in business. I think if you truly love the game then you wouldn't quit over smoking or not. My bar still allows the electronic cigarettes inside so that may be the answer some people need.
We play out of Matthews NC at Rackem Pub and Billiards. It took some adjusting but we haven't seen a decline in business. I think if you truly love the game then you wouldn't quit over smoking or not. My bar still allows the electronic cigarettes inside so that may be the answer some people need.
Geez,,, get off it already.... You cannot smoke in a POKER rooms, or any poker tournament I've ever played in, yet POKER is the biggest friggin game in town now a days.
You think the money involved in POKER, with million dollar pay days, even small tourneys equal what a pro pool player can rake in a HUGE pool tournament has something to do with it?? Maybe? Possible? Plausable ?
I can play poker in my home, at the casino, at the VFW, and I can make a phone call and get in a house tourney game or cash game every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Hell, I throw my own poker tournments once a month.... I've yet to go to someones personal home for a poker game and someone be allowed to smoke... I've never even heard someone ask... they know where to go....
And there is NO SMOKING in poker, yet its growing bigger every day. It's on TV every day, and it's even reported in the sports sections of newspapers....
Now, with this evidence staring you right in the face, maybe you wanna stuff it in your pipe and smoke it
