Wikipedia Pool Editors
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I used to spend every weekend contributing referenced data to the Cuesports topic. I pored through numerous pool periodicals and other things I have collected. It is really time consuming to do this. Some folks kindly gave me donations of print pool stuff that I will always treasure.
I have created about 15 or more pages on American pool players category, but, truth be told, I still have trouble navigating that Wikipedia with all their oddball rules, punctuation styles, formatting, templates, et cetera. Sheesh! Talk about a nightmare that gets worse and worse!
I would strongly suggest contacting SMcCandlish here: SMcCandlish Talk Page. He is the expert on Cuesports and has been of immense assistance to me in the past.
Craig, I have made contributions to European and Filipino pool player categories, but the majority of data I have added pertain to American pool players. I've also contributed to non-pool-related Wikipedia content, but the majority of mine have been related to pool.
Everything you do on that Wikipedia is gone over with a fine-toothed comb by editors and bots. If you don't do it right, then it will either be deleted or flagged. So move slowly, read the rules, and see if you can figure it out better than me.
If I can be of any assistance, please feel free to contact me here via PM. I have a limited amount of knowledge on how to move in Wikipedia. :grin-square:
It is a thankless job but one which will give you self-gratification if you have a passion for pool. When the urge hits me, I spend time on Wikipedia and try to improve the Cuesports category with what I can muster up from my limited self-made pool archives. I look forward to your contributions and hope you are able to maneuver your way around Wikipedia easily.
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I used to spend every weekend contributing referenced data to the Cuesports topic. I pored through numerous pool periodicals and other things I have collected. It is really time consuming to do this. Some folks kindly gave me donations of print pool stuff that I will always treasure.
I have created about 15 or more pages on American pool players category, but, truth be told, I still have trouble navigating that Wikipedia with all their oddball rules, punctuation styles, formatting, templates, et cetera. Sheesh! Talk about a nightmare that gets worse and worse!
I would strongly suggest contacting SMcCandlish here: SMcCandlish Talk Page. He is the expert on Cuesports and has been of immense assistance to me in the past.
Craig, I have made contributions to European and Filipino pool player categories, but the majority of data I have added pertain to American pool players. I've also contributed to non-pool-related Wikipedia content, but the majority of mine have been related to pool.
Everything you do on that Wikipedia is gone over with a fine-toothed comb by editors and bots. If you don't do it right, then it will either be deleted or flagged. So move slowly, read the rules, and see if you can figure it out better than me.
If I can be of any assistance, please feel free to contact me here via PM. I have a limited amount of knowledge on how to move in Wikipedia. :grin-square:
It is a thankless job but one which will give you self-gratification if you have a passion for pool. When the urge hits me, I spend time on Wikipedia and try to improve the Cuesports category with what I can muster up from my limited self-made pool archives. I look forward to your contributions and hope you are able to maneuver your way around Wikipedia easily.
Hi Jam,
Thanks for the reply, if I recall correctly I remember you help Mr Fulcher with his entry. One of the things that (correct me if I'm wrong) got my attention was this page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Straight_Pool_Championship
Now I know I'm getting old but I'm sure I watched Max reach the final this year, which means he didn't finish 3rd!
I beleive all the results of that tournament are on seyberts somewhere and I have photos somewhere of all the group results the following year. I just think this sort of data will be much easier to add now rather than later!
I also think that wiki is the best option for all time high runs in 14.1, and possibly 8, 9 ball rack runs etc.
But as you said JAM, the whole "might be deleted" phrase scared me to death and I know a while back wiki tightened up who can edit etc.
Thanks again, I'll do a bit more reading and PM you once I know a bit more
Cheers
Start here, Craig: Wikipedia Tutorial.
This will walk you through editing, formatting, Wikipedia links, citing sources (a real PITA :angry
, Talk pages, et cetera.You will probably catch on quicker than me. When I first started, I posted a bunch of photos and had them all deleted by bots because did not include the correct "rights" template. Sheesh!
Good luck. Contact me at any time!
billiardhistory
Billiard History Buff
Wkipedia Articles on Pool & Billiard Subjects
I recently ventured into the Wikipedia wilderness, with varying levels of frustration and success. Having cut my teeth on HTML (the basic computer language used to create Web pages), I figured I could handle it myself without a lot of help, but their markup language is really odd, and (as mentioned by JAM) their rules are complex and often frustrating. I had the same problem JAM mentioned with proper attribution and "Rights" statements on photos, even though the ones I uploaded came from a website that clearly stated they were not under copyright and could be used by anyone for any purpose. One editor (Tim Pierce) helped me out with that and showed me the correct markup segment to insert on each photo's information page, so they weren't deleted before I got them fixed.
The major hurdle for new articles is getting past their "notability" standards, which evaluate any new subject based on their editors' collective judgment of its value as something worthy of being covered in an encyclopedia (which, as far as I can tell, has to do with how many times it has been mentioned in "reliable sources," whatever that means). You should also be cautious of indulging in praise for your subject. Objectivity is important (you should use a basic "reporter's" voice, not that of an editorial writer), and if you use superlatives to describe your subject or an aspect of it, they must be in direct quotes attributed to "reliable" sources.
The rest is formatting, adhering to certain rules of grammar, capitalization, punctuation, etc., and learning how to attribute sources correctly. For articles on pool/pocket billiards, there are specific spelling and grammatical standards they want you to adhere to, for example, here are some statements from their rules:
* The game is "nine-ball" (likewise eight-ball, one-pocket, etc.) — not "9-ball". (Exception: "blackball" is fully compounded, almost universally)
* Non-compound-noun game names are not hyphenated (bank pool, carom billiards, English billiards, straight rail)
* The ball is "the 9 ball" (likewise the 15 ball, the cue ball, the solid balls, etc.) — not "the 9-ball" or "the nine ball".
My first attempt was pretty poor, however, a couple of editors (including SMcCandlish) involved in the WikProject Cue Sports helped me out, and I was finally able to put together a page that will hopefully pass all the tests and remain up. The article was on The Snap Magazine, a now legendary (at least in my opinion, though I could not use that word) billiard publication from the late 1980s and early 1990s.
If anyone is interested in contributing articles on pool & billiard subjects, pay attention to what JAM had to say, start out with a trial page, take your time (there is no emergency or time restraint), and you should probably also check out the WikiProject Cue Sports page at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Cue_sports
If you would like to see my page, which is still under review with no guarantee that it will eventually pass muster, it is at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Snap_Magazine
I recently ventured into the Wikipedia wilderness, with varying levels of frustration and success. Having cut my teeth on HTML (the basic computer language used to create Web pages), I figured I could handle it myself without a lot of help, but their markup language is really odd, and (as mentioned by JAM) their rules are complex and often frustrating. I had the same problem JAM mentioned with proper attribution and "Rights" statements on photos, even though the ones I uploaded came from a website that clearly stated they were not under copyright and could be used by anyone for any purpose. One editor (Tim Pierce) helped me out with that and showed me the correct markup segment to insert on each photo's information page, so they weren't deleted before I got them fixed.
The major hurdle for new articles is getting past their "notability" standards, which evaluate any new subject based on their editors' collective judgment of its value as something worthy of being covered in an encyclopedia (which, as far as I can tell, has to do with how many times it has been mentioned in "reliable sources," whatever that means). You should also be cautious of indulging in praise for your subject. Objectivity is important (you should use a basic "reporter's" voice, not that of an editorial writer), and if you use superlatives to describe your subject or an aspect of it, they must be in direct quotes attributed to "reliable" sources.
The rest is formatting, adhering to certain rules of grammar, capitalization, punctuation, etc., and learning how to attribute sources correctly. For articles on pool/pocket billiards, there are specific spelling and grammatical standards they want you to adhere to, for example, here are some statements from their rules:
* The game is "nine-ball" (likewise eight-ball, one-pocket, etc.) — not "9-ball". (Exception: "blackball" is fully compounded, almost universally)
* Non-compound-noun game names are not hyphenated (bank pool, carom billiards, English billiards, straight rail)
* The ball is "the 9 ball" (likewise the 15 ball, the cue ball, the solid balls, etc.) — not "the 9-ball" or "the nine ball".
My first attempt was pretty poor, however, a couple of editors (including SMcCandlish) involved in the WikProject Cue Sports helped me out, and I was finally able to put together a page that will hopefully pass all the tests and remain up. The article was on The Snap Magazine, a now legendary (at least in my opinion, though I could not use that word) billiard publication from the late 1980s and early 1990s.
If anyone is interested in contributing articles on pool & billiard subjects, pay attention to what JAM had to say, start out with a trial page, take your time (there is no emergency or time restraint), and you should probably also check out the WikiProject Cue Sports page at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Cue_sports
If you would like to see my page, which is still under review with no guarantee that it will eventually pass muster, it is at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Snap_Magazine