Are any American players thinking about this?
Will Good Results in Europe kill Action?
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What action? Back here in the States? Won't have any effect imo.
I know,this is what’s wrong...Americans think of pool as gambling, not a sport.
Guess so; Pinoys win tourneys and get tons of action
Most of the serious action is all one-pocket these days. Short sets of 9ball really have no effect on how 1p players match-up.
Tell that to Oscar. I don't think he got the memo.
action this and action that. i hope they take something else away from it and that is the benefits of having a well organized pool governing body with an equally well organized pro tour, standardized rules, standardized table sizes. all these things leads to consistency.
while i enjoy watching 1p action matches, it certainly hasn't proven to be a recipe for international success, just as fiddling around on 7ft tables hasn't
while i enjoy watching 1p action matches, it certainly hasn't proven to be a recipe for international success, just as fiddling around on 7ft tables hasn't
Yes we are envious, those are just some of the nice things....we cant have.
why not, though?
the european pool system works like a federation, each nation have their national tournaments which are based on the european system. i don't see why the federation USA cannot arrange something similar, on a state level and on a federal level. remember, most of the people playing on the eurotour have regular jobs aside from pool and some of them come from rather poor countries.
I have always wondered the same, it may boil down to different cultures and how the game evolved in the different parts of the world. There are some good things happening on our side but it takes time. I believe the Mosconi cup has highlighted many things about the game, good and bad. A strong governing body will need to be put that oversees the future evolution of the sport.
Why do the Europeans waste their time coming to the states and playing this horrible conditions? Until we shape up and play by there rules and standards boycott us. Every table the same, same brand ,same rails,same cloth,same rack(and racker) same break spot.If you dont like american pool dont play .And lets get rid of those horrible bar tables millions of them.Then you can say pool is dead.When in Rome.
Don't drink too much of the Kool-Aid there, buddy.
I'm an American living here in Europe, and have been here for the full Leende Eurotour event, and here are the takeaways:
1. Dynamic tables have buckets for pockets. This turns every match into a pure semi-soft breaking contest.
2. The Americans aren't overly impressed with the Eurotour players so far. Americans are putting up a few 9-2, 9-3, 9-4 scorelines. Don't believe me? Check the box scores.
3. 6 of the Americans made the final 32 out of 128 so far. SVB is currently leading Mario He (previous Eurotour winner) 4-1. Mario just hooked the ever loving crap outta himself. Might be 5-1 soon. Skylar leading his opponent 6-2. Corey leading Fedor Gorst 7-1 at the moment. Thorpe just eliminated Ellerman 9-4. Shane McMinn plays shortly. Has looked like a stone cold champion so far.
Yeah... America might not do too well at the Mosoni Cup, but they're not particularly scared of all these Eurotour bucket table champions.
Oh, and the Eurotour tourneys pay jack shit. The common thing I heard was that the Americans had multiple choices of tourneys thay paid better in the U.S., if they had wished. But tgey are here to represent, and make a statement.
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Shortbus: don't see how that had anything to do with my point, but ok. the top US players advances to single elimination, very good, i'm genuinely glad for them. how that contradicts talking constructively about organizing pool is beyond my comprehension..
You are talking as if the Eurotour is somehow representative of how we should be "organizing" pool in America.
The Eurotour players are playing for absolute peanuts, but all the players are forced to play to chase European Mosconi Cup points. On top of that, the equipment isn't challenging enough to allow the best of the best to consistently dominate, so what little money there is gets spread REAL thin.
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Two things:
1. I have Brunswicks and Dynamics in my city and Dynamics play a lot tougher, it's quite difficult to get the ball to go in the pocket if it glazes the rail. On Brunswicks the pocket takes it even if the ball touches the rail around the second diamond sometimes. Even the multiple Dynamics we have don't all play the same.
Goes to show you that it all depends on how each individual table is set up. I wouldn't over-generalize that this equipment is "easier" than that one or vice versa.
2. They're hardly breaking semi-soft as there's the rule that 3 balls in total must either be potted or cross the head string. You can't be sure that's gonna happen with soft or semi-soft breaks. Watch the last match between Mario He and SVB, they were pounding the ball to oblivion on the break.
I understand the patriotic spirit and all, but we need to get the facts straight first, ok?
1. Brunswicks come from the factory with 5 inch pockets, standard. Yer not helping you case here, man.
2. The breaks on these tables are about 1/3rd the speed Shane can break them. Did you even watch pool in the 80s/90s when people actually had to break hard and accept random layouts, instead of playing position on the 1 on the break?
1. But they are American, right? I'm saying European tables, in general, are not less demanding than American tables, again in general. Some tables on both sides can be made to play more or less tough, but Europeans hardly play on a less demanding equipment. In general.
2. I'm not even going to go into this as I don't see how it's relevant to Europe vs USA today, which is what I was under the impression we were comparing.
In any case, and I guess a totally different topic - I agree with you in that I, too, prefer a random layout for all games after the break as opposed to playing for the automatic position on the one.
by spreading the winners thin instead of the top 3 or 5 taking down all the money lets the game grow.
no game or sport where the exact same people win all the time like in pool grows.
similar to tennis which is barely staying alive as you know almost all the time who will win .
no game or sport where the exact same people win all the time like in pool grows.
similar to tennis which is barely staying alive as you know almost all the time who will win .