World Fargo Rating list --place changes from the US Open

[nine_ball6970]

OK, look on that list of the top 100 Fargo rated players and see if you can find Landon Shuffetts' name....didn't he beat Earl like a red headed step child on a Diamond 10'....AFTER Earl beat Shane 15/14 on the same table? You can't find Landon Shuffett' listed because he's going to college and don't have the time to get out and compete on a regular basis....but I can assure you one thing....he can beat a lot of the players in the top 100 on that list....so, does he not count anymore? He has time to practice, but can't afford the time away from college....so, in my plans, he'd still HAVE a chance to play in a world championship tournament, having 11 months to get qualified....for a 4 day maximum time frame tournament!

I am sure Landon plays all the time. The thing is the tournaments he plays in do not submit their scores to Fargo.

Besides, that was one match against Earl who people say can't play anymore and that was years ago.

How many games does Landon have in Fargo and what is his rating?

I am not sure about you, but when I went to college I could make time to go to tournaments on the weekends at least once a month without issue......

 

[gxman]

I dont see how Shane is not 1st in fargo. Came in 2nd at World 9b, 1st US Open 9b, 2nd at Steinway, 1st at Derby 9b. He has beat a ton of 790+ Fargo Rating players in the last few tournaments.

I know Wu goes deep in most of those international tourneys, but his fargo rating just seems off in comparison to what Shane has beat in the last couple months.

 

[BmoreMoney]

I dont see how Shane is not 1st in fargo. Came in 2nd at World 9b, 1st US Open 9b, 2nd at Steinway, 1st at Derby 9b. He has beat a ton of 790+ Fargo Rating players in the last few tournaments.

I know Wu goes deep in most of those international tourneys, but his fargo rating just seems off in comparison to what Shane has beat in the last couple months.

This +1^^^^, that was the reason for my initial post!

 

[realkingcobra]

Besides, that was one match against Earl who people say can't play anymore and that was years ago.

I am not sure about you, but when I went to college I could make time to go to tournaments on the weekends at least once a month without issue......

Landon had just turned 18 at the time, and in the Big Foot 10 ball tournament, Earl just finished beating SVB 15/14. I believe Landon beat Earl 15/4 or maybe 15/5. So,are you trying to imply that Earl's game want down hill after playing Shane, BEFORE Landon played and beat him?

When you went to college, did you play as good as Landon did? Judging others by what you did, or didn't do is not fair to the person you're judging. Can you honestly say you had the same schedule as Landon does today....when YOU were in college? Dan Louie was going to college as well....when he won the world 9 ball championship, then backed it up by beating the then world 8 ball champion....I think Danny was 19 or 20 at the time. After which is when Danny suffered kidney failure and had to go on dialysis, which pretty much ended his abilities to compete in many of the tournaments being held for the next 25 plus years or so. His problem was that his playing skills, his problem was he couldn't handle the duration of the tournaments, he couldn't go very long without being on the dialysis machine. Under my plans for world class tournaments, if Danny could still place in the top 64 in the world, he could have still played in the short duration world championships. Most people don't get it, the time it takes to run tournaments like the US Open 9 ball event that just took place, is extended drastically with the double elimination format and drug out in length for the benefit of the vendors who pay a space rental fee in order to sell their products to whom ever they can, AND THEIR space fees are needed to help pay for the added money to the event, the rest of the money is made up by the players entry fees....only the short fall of the added money is actually made up to complete the prize money for the players.But, while everyone selling something is making money, and everyone who places in the money to earn some kind of money....the REST OF THE FIELD OF PLAYERS COME OUT LOSERS. In MY plans, there are no losers!

 

[BeiberLvr]

I dont see how Shane is not 1st in fargo. Came in 2nd at World 9b, 1st US Open 9b, 2nd at Steinway, 1st at Derby 9b. He has beat a ton of 790+ Fargo Rating players in the last few tournaments.

I know Wu goes deep in most of those international tourneys, but his fargo rating just seems off in comparison to what Shane has beat in the last couple months.

Because it's not just about winning matches. It's about how much you win by in relation to the expected score.

If I play SVB in a race to 11. Let's say the expected score is he wins 11--2.

If I win 3 or more games, guess what happens. SVBs rating goes down.

Shane beats a lot of high rated players but if he's not crushing them his rating won't go up.

 

[nine_ball6970]

Landon had just turned 18 at the time, and in the Big Foot 10 ball tournament, Earl just finished beating SVB 15/14. I believe Landon beat Earl 15/4 or maybe 15/5. So,are you trying to imply that Earl's game want down hill after playing Shane, BEFORE Landon played and beat him?

When you went to college, did you play as good as Landon did? Judging others by what you did, or didn't do is not fair to the person you're judging. Can you honestly say you had the same schedule as Landon does today....when YOU were in college? Dan Louie was going to college as well....when he won the world 9 ball championship, then backed it up by beating the then world 8 ball champion....I think Danny was 19 or 20 at the time. After which is when Danny suffered kidney failure and had to go on dialysis, which pretty much ended his abilities to compete in many of the tournaments being held for the next 25 plus years or so. His problem was that his playing skills, his problem was he couldn't handle the duration of the tournaments, he couldn't go very long without being on the dialysis machine. Under my plans for world class tournaments, if Danny could still place in the top 64 in the world, he could have still played in the short duration world championships. Most people don't get it, the time it takes to run tournaments like the US Open 9 ball event that just took place, is extended drastically with the double elimination format and drug out in length for the benefit of the vendors who pay a space rental fee in order to sell their products to whom ever they can, AND THEIR space fees are needed to help pay for the added money to the event, the rest of the money is made up by the players entry fees....only the short fall of the added money is actually made up to complete the prize money for the players.But, while everyone selling something is making money, and everyone who places in the money to earn some kind of money....the REST OF THE FIELD OF PLAYERS COME OUT LOSERS. In MY plans, there are no losers!

I don't understand why you bring up Dan Louie. I simply said that Landon plays in college tournaments so why would it be so hard for him to play in a qualifier for a world tournament. You act like he studies 24 hours a day and has no time to practice.

Did you watch the match between him and Earl? Earl missed a very easy 10 ball early in the match and imploded. If you really think Earl played his normal game after that shot then I don't know what else to tell you.

Did Landon win the ten ball tournament? What were his scores against the rest of the field?

 

[nine_ball6970]

I dont see how Shane is not 1st in fargo. Came in 2nd at World 9b, 1st US Open 9b, 2nd at Steinway, 1st at Derby 9b. He has beat a ton of 790+ Fargo Rating players in the last few tournaments.

I know Wu goes deep in most of those international tourneys, but his fargo rating just seems off in comparison to what Shane has beat in the last couple months.

I think Mike Page needs to make a sticky because I can't find it. It shows how much better he plays than other world class players.

In the big tourney Wu just won, the closest match he played in the final 32 single elimination stage was 11-6. He didn't just win. He absolutely ran over world class players.

 

[gxman]

Dennis has a current fargo of 817, Shane beat dennis twice in the last 2 tourneys. Something like 11-6 and then he blanked Dennis at Steinway. Maybe b/c he lost to Shaw thus not boosting his score. But I thought how you finish in tournaments counts too. SVB just finished 1st in arguably the toughest tournament field ever.

 

[BeiberLvr]

Dennis has a current fargo of 817, Shane beat dennis twice in the last 2 tourneys. Something like 11-6 and then he blanked Dennis at Steinway. Maybe b/c he lost to Shaw thus not boosting his score. But I thought how you finish in tournaments counts too. SVB just finished 1st in arguably the toughest tournament field ever.

Nope just individual matches. I'm sure Mike could post shanes matches and go into detail.

 

[realkingcobra]

I look around pool today like I look at Professional baseball, it's called the great American past time. So if by some chance the Cubs win, they'll be called the world champions....am I correct? Yet they never played a Professional baseball team from another country, like say Japan for example. YET little league baseball is played world wide, and when a little league team wins the little league champion, they truly ARE the little league champions of the world....why is that? It's that way because billionaires don't own the little league organization that's why. Pool is screwed up because there's so many organizations that think and feel THEY are in charge of it, only problem is....none of them organizations are putting up the prize money, and none of them really care about promoting real world championships....that THEY can't put the name of their organization on, and will NOT recognize any world class tournaments unless they're PAID a fee to do so.

 

[BmoreMoney]

Landon had just turned 18 at the time, and in the Big Foot 10 ball tournament, Earl just finished beating SVB 15/14. I believe Landon beat Earl 15/4 or maybe 15/5. So,are you trying to imply that Earl's game want down hill after playing Shane, BEFORE Landon played and beat him?

When you went to college, did you play as good as Landon did? Judging others by what you did, or didn't do is not fair to the person you're judging. Can you honestly say you had the same schedule as Landon does today....when YOU were in college? Dan Louie was going to college as well....when he won the world 9 ball championship, then backed it up by beating the then world 8 ball champion....I think Danny was 19 or 20 at the time. After which is when Danny suffered kidney failure and had to go on dialysis, which pretty much ended his abilities to compete in many of the tournaments being held for the next 25 plus years or so. His problem was that his playing skills, his problem was he couldn't handle the duration of the tournaments, he couldn't go very long without being on the dialysis machine. Under my plans for world class tournaments, if Danny could still place in the top 64 in the world, he could have still played in the short duration world championships. Most people don't get it, the time it takes to run tournaments like the US Open 9 ball event that just took place, is extended drastically with the double elimination format and drug out in length for the benefit of the vendors who pay a space rental fee in order to sell their products to whom ever they can, AND THEIR space fees are needed to help pay for the added money to the event, the rest of the money is made up by the players entry fees....only the short fall of the added money is actually made up to complete the prize money for the players.But, while everyone selling something is making money, and everyone who places in the money to earn some kind of money....the REST OF THE FIELD OF PLAYERS COME OUT LOSERS. In MY plans, there are no losers!

Thought was generally once a week? Or was it different back in the day?

 

[nine_ball6970]

I look around pool today like I look at Professional baseball, it's called the great American past time. So if by some chance the Cubs win, they'll be called the world champions....am I correct? Yet they never played a Professional baseball team from another country, like say Japan for example. YET little league baseball is played world wide, and when a little league team wins the little league champion, they truly ARE the little league champions of the world....why is that? It's that way because billionaires don't own the little league organization that's why. Pool is screwed up because there's so many organizations that think and feel THEY are in charge of it, only problem is....none of them organizations are putting up the prize money, and none of them really care about promoting real world championships....that THEY can't put the name of their organization on, and will NOT recognize any world class tournaments unless they're PAID a fee to do so.

Your post isn't entirely accurate unless Canada is now part of the United States and not a separate country. The Toronto Blue Jays are still a Major League team.

Typically the best players in the World come to the United States to play baseball. Saying a team from another country can compete is crazy. Their best players come here to play. They do not stay in countries like Japan and Cuba. They may have decent teams during the Olympics but that is about it.

 

[realkingcobra]

I don't understand why you bring up Dan Louie. I simply said that Landon plays in college tournaments so why would it be so hard for him to play in a qualifier for a world tournament. You act like he studies 24 hours a day and has no time to practice.

Did you watch the match between him and Earl? Earl missed a very easy 10 ball early in the match and imploded. If you really think Earl played his normal game after that shot then I don't know what else to tell you.

Did Landon win the ten ball tournament? What were his scores against the rest of the field?

I think you missed my point.

 

[realkingcobra]

If he really wanted to he could also play a qualifier and get in that way.

You seem to think these hidden champions don't have time to play a qualifier, but they do have time for a skills challenge and the actual tournament.

Play a qualifier? When does a person working swing shift at Boeing get the chance to play in a weekly qualifier, or how about working 4 days a week, working 12 hour shifts? Or how about if they work graveyard and are getting off work at 8am to start their time off after work, but are heading to bed at 2pm so they get in their sleep before work? You sure do live in a simple world budd.

 

[BeiberLvr]

Play a qualifier? When does a person working swing shift at Boeing get the chance to play in a weekly qualifier, or how about working 4 days a week, working 12 hour shifts? Or how about if they work graveyard and are getting off work at 8am to start their time off after work, but are heading to bed at 2pm so they get in their sleep before work? You sure do live in a simple world budd.

But yet they'll have time to play in a 3 day tournament.

Hilarious

 

[realkingcobra]

But yet they'll have time to play in a 3 day tournament.

Hilarious

Yeah....if they can make the cut to the final 64 in the world, they can put in for vacation....just like you would IF you could make the cut. But, no worries, they can make an appointment that fist their time off any time during the 11 months of skill level testing to see if they need to put in for a vacation to play with the rest of the world class players in the world championships!

 

[AtLarge]

... How many games does Landon have in Fargo and what is his rating? ...

Landon is currently listed with a "preliminary" rating of 714. His robustness (games in the system) is only 151.

... Dan Louie was going to college as well....when he won the world 9 ball championship, then backed it up by beating the then world 8 ball champion....I think Danny was 19 or 20 at the time. ...

Dan Louie won the ACUI college title twice, in 1973 and 1974. But I think the tournament you are talking about here was in 1976, when he was about 24.

... Did Landon win the ten ball tournament? What were his scores against the rest of the field?

That was a 16-player, single-elimination event at Tunica, MS in 2012. Shuffett won his first match (agaiinst John Morra 15-4), won his second match (against Strickland 15-4), then lost his 3rd match to Orcollo 10-15, thereby finishing in a tie for 3rd/4th. Pagulayan beat Orcollo for the title.

 

[mikepage]

Landon is currently listed with a "preliminary" rating of 714. His robustness (games in the system) is only 151.[....]

Yes he performed at 726 speed for those 151 games. And most of them were from when he was pretty young, so all bets are off... We don't really know how he plays.

 

[realkingcobra]

Yes he performed at 726 speed for those 151 games. And most of them were from when he was pretty young, so all bets are off... We don't really know how he plays.

Landon I guess was kind of my point about the unknowns in the world. There could be a dozen or 2 like Landon if one searched the world over. But rather than search the world over, I'd rather bring the opportunity to them to bring themselves forward by having a skill level testing area somewhere near them in which all them unknown have 11 months to fight their way into the top 64 in the world for a real world class tournament, with NO dead money players needed to make it happen......THEN, turn them over to the Fargo rating system....because I can assure you, they won't be disappearing any time soon after a showing like that.

 

[realkingcobra]

Once a world championship tournament is over, the Pros stay in the top 64 Pro status for the following 11 months, until a new cut off date has been reached to reshuffle the players so to speak. There'll be quite a few repeat players, but I can assure you....There'll be some new ones too in each following world championship tournament. THERE'S YOUR PROS FOR A PRO TOUR, and there's the Pros for fargorate' to figure out how to rate and match up for a year. And no one needs to worry about what if they don't make the cut to the Pros, there's always the Semi Pros, the advanced amateur, and the intermediate amature players waiting to be grouped together, regional elimination tournament's ran to help cut down the large field of players working their way to the world amature championships....with the HELP of about 1,000 pool rooms around the world