Really??? Mater of fact, wasn't there I believe a 13 year old female that won the women's world 9 ball championship as well? Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but if not....what in the heck did the world know about HER before she won?
World Fargo Rating list --place changes from the US Open
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Really??? Mater of fact, wasn't there I believe a 13 year old female that won the women's world 9 ball championship as well? Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but if not....what in the heck did the world know about HER before she won?
For starters, you take a player. Let's say Kevin Cheng. Rated 791 and ranked at 29th in the world.
To keep it simple, you can just say that Kevin is a favorite vs any player 30-100, and an underdog to any player 28-1.
But it can be a little more complicated. For example, even though Kevin is a favorite against Darren Appleton (rated 790). In reality, he's only a 50.6% favorite in a race to 11. But against Maximillian Lechner (rated 764), he's a 66.8% favorite.
The favorites don't always win, and the underdogs don't always lose. It basically comes down to probabilities. If you've ever spent time at the poker table. Then you would know when you get your money in before the flop with AA you're only about a 4 to 1 favorite to double up. Except unlike poker, with Fargo Rate, probabilities can and do change as more data (games) are entered into the system.
Truthfully, I think you're just trolling with your post. If I'm wrong, then perhaps you can provide details on what you can't take serious.
I'm not a historian.
no, not trolling.......
as much as i would appreciate such a (correct) list, as much i think, its impossible to do! so lets stick to poker, efren (and hes the greatest for me) would be favourite vs all my marked players, dam i would go all in every time against efren lol i love the odds :thumbup:
how can he be ranked above those guys, i mean albin won world 9b, runner up, china open, eurotour and eurochamp last 2 yrs while efren gets 1 or 2 games to 22 from the 18 yr old kids down in the phillipines! thats more than questionable and shows the seriousness of that list!
just my 2 cents!
What the Fargo Rating system does, it does perfectly: It measures the game-by-game performance of the people listed for the games that were entered into the system. You may be more interested in who wins the big tournaments or the big money or whatever, but the Fargo system is a mathematically optimal solution for putting ratings on people based on how many (recorded) games they've won and against whom.
Seeing some how you seem to so knowledgeable about the Fargo rating system, maybe you should answer my questions for once. What is the MAIN purpose of a Fargo Rating System, and exactly HOW is that suppose to help build a better pool players system in which Professional pool players can actually earn a living playing this sport?
AND....if it's MAIN purpose is to support better odds for betting on pool matches............WHO'S MAKING THE MONEY, I mean....WHERE is it going? Because if the sole purpose is to better place ones bets on player matches.....is that any different than everyone else that rides the backs of the Pros?.....just so they can profit from the matches they play....for the piss poor money they DO earn?
Well, the age information that I could find is lacking on a couple of those champions, but the youngest I could find was Liu Sha Sha winning at age 16 in 2009.
[In 2013, a 13-year-old (Jiang Teng) made it to the round of 32 and lost, thereby finishing 17th/32nd.]
Now that I've had a few hours break, let me try and explain something to you. If 1/1/2017 was the start of skill level testing, and SVB took his test at some location, it was sent in, it sits on the computer until say 10/1/2017 when all the scores go public. The date they go public is so that everyone that didn't want to support contributions to the world championship tournament to find out earlier what their standing was on the list.....now only have 30 days in which to practice and retest their score if in the event they find out they didn't make the top 64 list. But now, SVB, maybe he spent a $1 way back in February and seen he was actually in the number 6 spot, so he feels pretty safe knowing the odds of 58 player scoring higher than his posted score is slim to none....so he don't think about it any more. Then when the list goes public, he checks again.....only to see that he's been bumped down to the number 11 position.....but he sees that he knows who 5 of them players are that tested higher than he did.....BUT....the other 5....he may not have a clue, but you can bet your bottom dollar.....he's going to want to find out who they are BEFORE he plays them!
I'm pretty sure I remember her being from the Philippines, and I seem to remember her beating both Allison Fishers. I also seem to remember her beating Shane Van boening in an event in Vegas within a couple of years after that.
I looked it up, it was Liu Sha Sha I was thinking about, must have got her age mixed up with another young player, but I do remember he being of Asian decent. But even at 16, she was an unknown player at the time for sure. The point that I've been trying to make, is that with my skill level testing, kids just like her and WU would have a greater chance of becoming even better players if they have the skills to shoot straight to the top of the pile.....to begin with!
Only Mike Page can comment on the purpose of Fargo Rate. As to your last question,what does it matter? Not everything in pool has to be for the benefit of the professional player.
I mean if you have any good ideas that would "help build a better pool players system in which Professional pool players can actually earn a living playing this sport." Please post them.
First, solve the migration crisis
Then move onto achieving world peace and stemming global warming
and then we'd REALLY like to get rid of those toothpaste tube tops that don't close...
We only have 57 games for Efren from this year. He played Darren Appleton (11-9), Francisco Bustamante (11-7), and Jayson Shaw (8-11) at the 2016 Bigfoot Challenge at Derby City. This isn't much. But a combined record of 30 to 27 against these three is pretty good.
So it is possible he is declining and we are not getting enough games to really capture it. And it is possible the rumors of his decline are exaggerated. And of course it could be somewhere in between.
If we don't get more games for him soon, he will be off the list from not-enough-recent-activity.
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There's 2 inherent weaknesses to trying to actively rate and rank pro pool players.
Do you have a way to give more weight to those players with larger sample sizes, those who have a quantity of games that is statistically significant?
Many players do not attend all events or travel to events on opposite sides of the US. Most aren't hitting the big events overseas. How can this be accounted for?
I like the idea. Not sure how the rankings can be applied.
Thanks for your efforts. It's interesting to see.
Efren played in the DCC 9b 2016 event. Should be some more games logged there.
I don't know what you mean. A player playing at world-class speed but for only 180 games would not be on the list. Amongst those ON the list a player with 1000 games will have a more reliable rating than a player with 300 games.
We could choose make the requirement to be on the list more stringent. But there is a tradeoff here. The ratings for players on the list would be a little more reliable, but we'd more likely be missing a few players who really are playing at world class speed. I suppose we could indicate which players on the list have, say, fewer than 500 games...
This is what we do well: compare performances at different times and places through the spider web of connections. We are good at comparing, say, the US player who plays at Turning Stone but never travels outside the US to the European player that plays Eurotour events but never travels outside Europe to the Asian player who plays China Open and CBSA events and maybe Japan Open but doesn't travel outside of Asia.
Awesome for comparison
Fargorate is awesome for comparison of active players. I hope that there is a payoff for the amount of work that has gone into it for someone. I also hope that there is a reason for people to want to participate. I further hope that these reasons can be weaved together to produce events and the existence of those events are reasons for people that want to continue their playing careers beyond amateur levels. Its been my observation that if there isn't a payoff somewhere that eventually something great will cease to exist. There has obviously been a lot of work put into it, the only flaw I can spot is perhaps the amount of games that it might take to get a baseline on some of the pros i.e. Efren who might not be at a place where they aren't as active as they once were but that's a part of the game and a part of life and so be that. Someone somewhere is inputting a lot of data and there needs to be a good reason to continue. I hope there is some motivation for it to continue as it seems to draw some great comparisons in the players.
Fargorate is awesome for comparison of active players. I hope that there is a payoff for the amount of work that has gone into it for someone. I also hope that there is a reason for people to want to participate. I further hope that these reasons can be weaved together to produce events and the existence of those events are reasons for people that want to continue their playing careers beyond amateur levels. Its been my observation that if there isn't a payoff somewhere that eventually something great will cease to exist. There has obviously been a lot of work put into it, the only flaw I can spot is perhaps the amount of games that it might take to get a baseline on some of the pros i.e. Efren who might not be at a place where they aren't as active as they once were but that's a part of the game and a part of life and so be that. Someone somewhere is inputting a lot of data and there needs to be a good reason to continue. I hope there is some motivation for it to continue as it seems to draw some great comparisons in the players.
DCC 9-ball did not record match scores