Silly me. Thanks. That's it. Those articles for billiards digest are priceless. Meanwhile 3 weeks I said, "I consider the pool stroke to be an artistic expression. When I enter the realm of the artistic is when I progress the most. I'm sure poll books are highly beneficial to some and I'm not any better than those they are beneficial to but they don't talk about the things I'm experiencing." I recently viewed C.J Wiley's T.O.I video. It was an eye opener. I've been doing the basically the same thing for 17 years. I thought of it myself. I only had a semi - conscious understanding of what I was doing. So C.J. Comes along and explains in a very simple manner how the system is structured, he explains the physics, and he makes conscious what I was only semi - conscious of. It was enormously helpful. So I thought I had some subconscious esoteric knowledge of the pool stroke as an artistic expression and now I'm embarrassed as hell to find out that I mistook "going about things the hard way" as an unconscious esoteric knowledge of the pool stroke as an artistic expression. So maybe that's the way it is my center ball stroke also. Maybe I've been going about things the hard way and I should have taken lessons from one of you fine instructors a long time ago. It's just that I don't get out of the house much. I'm kinda bashful. So by now I don't know how many posters are thinking, "When is this dude gonna shut up? Every time he tries to explain himself out of this mess he gets in deeper. As I said, I'm seriously thinking about re - registering as my second favorite cartoon character, "His Dog Astro."