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I am part of the 14 day family and have worked with Tor on my episode. His videos are invaluable.

Please take some time to view the videos.

Have fun and stick with it. I enjoy reading your posts. :)

John[/QUOTE]


Being that you worked with Tor, would you recommend I skip the banking, kicking videos till later? The other titles seem to fit into my progressive drills. I could imagine the banking vids would take months by them selves. And thanks for the vid links!!!
I still haven't watched the videos other than what I worked up to! Anticipation is key to sticking with a program!
 
I am part of the 14 day family and have worked with Tor on my episode. His videos are invaluable.

Please take some time to view the videos.

Have fun and stick with it. I enjoy reading your posts. :)

John


Being that you worked with Tor, would you recommend I skip the banking, kicking videos till later? The other titles seem to fit into my progressive drills. I could imagine the banking vids would take months by them selves. And thanks for the vid links!!!
I still haven't watched the videos other than what I worked up to! Anticipation is key to sticking with a program![/QUOTE]

Yes, put the banking and kicking videos on the back burner for now. They are fun though. :)

Your in this for the long haul, don't take any short cuts.

I'm going to post your thread on the private 14 Day Family Facebook page. I'm sure that the rest of the family would like to follow your progress.

John
 
DVD experiment update,
all week I've been doing what I called the enhanced 4ball drill both full and 1/2 table, I swear that this is the most fun drill with a pourpose I've ever used so far! My buddy BigJay came over Saturday and we played 8ball for about 6hrs, fun stress-free night of playing pool! together we spent a little time re visiting the break drill and what we concluded is: reducing our break speed to a manageable rate resulted into better scattering of balls with the cueball approx center table almost every time! Almost always pocketing a ball or two, sometimes three and at least once four balls.
We didn't have to use any video work to determine that the faster we stroked,
That our elbows dropped and we were hitting top on the cueball or off center left and or to the right! Now that we are using our own max power control limits , I'm officially closing out the break drill lesson as checked off! And we both feel confident that our breaks are much better than they were!

On a side note, I know BigJay will chime in at some point. Jay claims he sees a noticeable difference on my stroke being consistent and more level! and I played some great lock up 1ball safeties that I probably would have blown before my stroke drill. As I had a tendency to jab, or punch instead of stroking these delicate shots. Before I was decelerating my stroke. Compared to now shorter bridge and shorter back stroke.

I think I even managed a few break in runs back to back and had multiple run outs! Confidence is contagious! While people reading this are like No shit, this is obvious info. But like I've stated before so far I've learned nothing about pool,fundamentals, or drills! What I'm learning is how to practice what you know! People who been on AZ a while might remember I've personally picked at the quality of instructors, and was a big fan of HAMB!
I'd like to say now I think the greatest thing you could do is see a qualified instructor that can teach you how to practice! I'd also like to personally thank Scott Lee for a private DM about practicing and my experiment. Especially knowing our rocky AZ history together. Thanks Scott!

Monday brings another chapter on my great DVD experiment, I do plan on skipping the banking and kicking dvd's till the end as I imagine there's so much info to practice on those topics! Thanks for the support guys! I appreciate it!
 
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I have been shooting with MVP over the weekend and I must say that the 2000 ball shooting truly did help his stroke out. It look's a lot smoother than it used to. I also think that the other drill's are helping his game out a little at a time. Can't wait to see how he come's along with continuation of the drill's and practice and what else the dvd's have in store for him. I will be following this thread and practicing with him often!!!!
 
Mid week update:
I did skip the banking and kicking videos for now and moved on to the next disk which is secrets 3 I believe, the first hour or so is almost exactly like the 1st disk in the series but not covered as much, it gave me the impression that this disk was made to sell by itself to others who may not have seen secrets 1&2. But it was easy to watch again and to hear the fundamentals talk again is probably helpful so I didn't mind it. the next hour of the video started with aiming and setting up for combinations. I will admit I think I learned a little because I'm better at aiming these now! I used to aim 1st ball at the contact point of the makable ball. Sorta sight everything off of the first ball. Tor teaches using a aiming line through the 2nd ball to a spot on the rail that intersects the makable ball on its pocket path. I can't write it, as simple as it is!!! Sight the line and shoot the first ball into the rail like the 2nd isn't there. It really does simplify the aiming process and the confusion of trying to sight in two balls. The second part of his combo lesson is adding a position line for the cue ball for shape, you remember the correct side vs bad side for position from every other drill. Just when shooting combos it matters much much more if the 1st ball will be your next shot, you want to keep the first ball between the cue ball and pocket and the position line prior determines this position after the combo is made. Again it's common sense stuff but I never gave it any consideration in the past, there's about 2-4hrs worth of table practice to be had here before I'm comfortable on moving on!

I did watch a little farther into the DVD and was relieved to see Tor actually gave us viewers drills to work on! Finally I wasn't going to create my own plan! The topics next are very basic but very important, and considered the foundation of position play! Cueball center, cueball high, cueball low. As simple as these are I'm still dedicating as much time as necessary to master them to DVD standards! Again nothing new learned as we all know what to expect from these three positions. The basic center ball drills are the classic hit the cue ball into the rail and have it come back to the stick, follow drill was to pocket the object ball and scratch on porpoise following it in, the low is the basic stop shot. Of course Tor expects us to change and master all the different distances on these most basic but yet most important key position play fundamentals.

This was my favorite section of the DVD series so far. I like the fact that he tells us what to set up and practice. But i do believe you will only get out of this DVD lesson what you
put in! When Tor gives you a drill to work on, it's like he mentions it and says to increase distance and moves on to next topic. It really is up to the viewer to stay on task and create their own lesson plan.(at least so far) Tor does mention other drills later in the series so I'm looking forward to that.

A local friend that knows me well and has been following my post asked me why I don't watch the whole series or disk at one time and then follow the lessons/drills. My response was this:
1st the series is so long, I don't want to sit and watch it for a whole day,
2nd pool videos are not the most entertaining and some reason put me to sleep. Or I don't focus on the details
3rd I use the unknown material as motivation to keep my interest, makes it harder to quit! After every week or lesson I'm wanting to see what's next.

His next question was: why post about it on AZ, he says no one else does, so why me?
My response: I was a prodigy moto cross racer that had the opportunities of a lifetime with unbelievable coaches and mentors. my career really ended before it took off, i earned my professional license and a spot into qualifying practice at a 1992 supercross in the old rca dome in Indianapolis. Practice didn't go so hot and I destroyed my shoulder and blew out my knee, the comeback was short lived and the dream faded. Any way what I learned back then was to make your goals and lessons public. It's a very useful way of holding yourself accountable. Especially when you want to quit or not give it your best!
onto the combos drill and followed up next week with stops, follows and draws!
 
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I love the write ups and dedication that you are putting into this!! It is almost like reading a great book that you just get into and can't wait to see what comes next. The way you write thing's up and all just keep me interested and want to know more and know what happens at the end. I know I am a real life friend and talk to you on a daily basis but what you write on here about your experience and how thing's are going and what's coming next just keeps us readers kind of on the edge of our seats to see what happens next. Keep up the hard work and dedication so that hopefully we may all learn from your experience!!!!
 


Here's the table I'm doing the drills on, it's a 3month old 7ft pro am
 


The after math of the 2000 ball stroke drill, I changed pockets around 40 racks, after some vacuuming and a can of cloth cleaner all the lines and chalk came out! I also used those 3ring binder office sticker things to spot the balls and work on th follow through but I removed them before pic
 


This is the paper shape zone I created for the enhanced 4ball drill, I honestly started out with a smaller shape zone but reality set in rather quickly and I was forced to enlarge it! I liked this design because I could leave it on the table a shoot out of it without picking up the balls. The flaw with it was the paper got folds and creases from handling.i wish magic rack made an assortment of these out of thin plastic! Laying out 3of these before shooting really improved my thought process and concentration level, I never realized before how much my position play was just "over there" and I relied on my ball pocketing skills to get out.
 


This is the paper shape zone I created for the enhanced 4ball drill, I honestly started out with a smaller shape zone but reality set in rather quickly and I was forced to enlarge it! I liked this design because I could leave it on the table a shoot out of it without picking up the balls. The flaw with it was the paper got folds and creases from handling.i wish magic rack made an assortment of these out of thin plastic! Laying out 3of these before shooting really improved my thought process and concentration level, I never realized before how much my position play was just "over there" and I relied on my ball pocketing skills to get out.

I could not agree more with you about your position thinking process. When I started setting the tip of my cue on the table and really looking at where I wanted the cue ball to end up my position play got a lot better. Most better than average players are probably capable of putting the cue ball where they need it if they show their brain exactly where it should be first. I think a lot of league players are afraid of doing that because they would be showing everyone how bad they missed position by, but they sure like to point out where they wanted the cue ball after they missed position. Thats like "no shit Sherlock", of course you wanted the cue ball where you could at least make contact with your last ball.:speechless::speechless::speechless:
 
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snip snip snip...he after math of the 2000 ball stroke drill, I changed pockets around 40 racks, after some vacuuming and a can of cloth cleaner all the lines and chalk came out!... snip snip snip...

Can you tell me what cleaner you used to get those lines out of your cloth? They are stubborn on my cloth, have similar path lines from drills I do. Thanks.
 
Can you tell me what cleaner you used to get those lines out of your cloth? They are stubborn on my cloth, have similar path lines from drills I do. Thanks.

It's quick-clean pool table cleaner. I think you can get it at any of the online pool stores. It took quite a while to get them out . Vacuum, spray cleaner, micro fiber towel and repeat lol. No brushes.
 
It's quick-clean pool table cleaner. I think you can get it at any of the online pool stores. It took quite a while to get them out . Vacuum, spray cleaner, micro fiber towel and repeat lol. No brushes.

Thanks! Just to stay on topic, Tor's stuff is great. 100% chance to improve your game if you put in the time.
 
DVD experiment update:
I had the week off from work last week and only got in a few hours of the 4ball drill on one night, although the combos, stops, follows,& draws are what I was supposed to be doing! I instead took advantage of being able to stay up late and played 8ball 4-5hrs a day with my buddy Big Jay, and as soon as I'm done with this post I'll be back at it right where I left off! I also did something I shouldn't have, my two buddies are CTE fanatics and loaned me a DVD and he explained the basics until I was seeing the proper perceptions and pocketing some balls. Even knowing this was counterproductive to my personal drills and not fair to the zeroX guys I took advantage of being home during the day to see what CTE is up close. Otherwise I might not see these guys again for at least a few months. I don't plan on using CTE but I'm a believer in knowledge of the game. Now it's Monday and I'm back on my zeroX plan! I keep telling my CTE buddies that zeroX is about cueball control and position and you wouldn't need a aiming system if you played good shape! Lol

My overall thoughts so far:
My game is at a higher level (not a lot but a little) but this could be from just getting to the table everyday. But drills speed up the process

My enthusiasm is really high about the game right now. I tribute this to not watching farther into the DVDs than I can practice. It leaves me wanting more. Plus I'm noticing improvements on my play. Currently I have a social (doesn't matter) and a public (pride) levels of games. I'm finding it hard to focus when it doesn't mater. Yes I know.......GAMBLE!!!! I need to work on blending these together!

My improvement, it's happening, but so subtle. my safeties are more locked up. Table runs are more frequent. And I seem to get out every time my opponent gives me an opportunity. But my lows are still the same as before this started. Overall my peaks are higher and the valleys are the same depth just "slightly" farther apart. I don't know if I could completely give credit to zeroX at this point, I think everyone could practice advanced 4ball 2-4hrs a day and show improvement, but it was zeroX that got me doing it!!

What I would of done differently at this point:
Since this is a DVD experiment, I wish I had my stroke evaluated professionally and not seen the results and then done the first DVD and have my stroke re-evaluated by the same professional. I would of loved to see if a self diagnosed stroke compares to a instructor. When this experiment is done I probably will see a stroke instructor.

I also wish I did a self evaluation drill much like Dr. Dave has posted on his site. People, myself included have a hard time being honest about their level of play and often compare themselves off of their best performances not their average performances. And for improvement tracking I'm lacking in this regard.

See ya in 5days or so!
 
Midweek zeroX update:
the first 100 shots I did were the classic hit the cueball down table and bounce back to hit stick drill. I found it helpful after the shot to close your eyes and freeze your body to avoid any cuestick steering on the rebound hit. This was really boring after about ten shots!!!

Next up was stop shots:
I marked location of objectball in the middle of bottom corner pocket just about one inch above the pocket jaws with a office dot sticker and created a straight line to center of the opposite side pocket dividing it by three equal distances with sticker dots. Started with the closest one and did about ten stop shots. All my shots stopped well but not to Tors video standards. In the video Tor uses a stripe with numbers up as the cueball and after contact with the objectball that number still remains up! And you could replace the next objectball onto the sticker and it should make contact with the stripe from previous shot.
This is where I had some difficulty!!!! Again all my shots were nice,straight and perfectly within reason of being well played but my number never remained on top after contact. It actually was really repeatable on rotating backwards about 1/4inch (almost on top) I played with this shot for about an hour and found I was consistently hitting about 1mm below center. I raised my bridge slightly by pulling back my fingers ad started hitting true center cueball (finally)

On the next two distances I considered a stop shot a success if the next object ball made contact during its placement. Unless it went to the side a little Then i started the drill over again. Did 100 shots of each.

Next up follow shots:
I don't think I spent the proper time on these but I was losing interest quickly!!!
I reused the same sticker locations and scratched with the cue ball following it in 100 times from all three locations, I think I only missed about 5 or less just trying to complete this drill.

I know there's great follow and draw drills out there with different distances etc. using the diamonds shooting down the rails but I'm sticking with the DVD for now! Also Tor never gave a number of how many to shoot, so I came up with 100 on my own. anymore than that I think I'd lose my mind!

Next up is draw shots (I think) I'm gonna have to play back the DVD to make sure. Probably post back Monday or Tuesday

My thoughts so far:
This week really seemed forced, almost like a school subject in a class you hate. At times I caught myself thinking these were to basic and I had to stop. The only thing that kept me focused was the fact that these basics are the foundation of your/my game! I'm looking forward to the position drills that come later, I just hope they come soon! I would imagine that most people wouldn't have done 100 of each of these just like they wouldn't of finished Tors 2000 ball drill but I'm reallly trying hard not to cut corners on this experiment! Also I see quite a few people are reading this but hardly anyone post comments. I'd love to hear what you got to say Good or Bad!!!!!!
 
As a note...Tor focuses so heavily on the stop shot because this is the shot you base your sliding cue ball hit on for angled shots...you will see as soon as you get to the position play stuff when he sets up half table pattern play that just about every shot he shows you is based on a sliding cue ball which is the same hit as a stop shot, only on an angled shot.) hope that makes sense.
 
MVP,, do you find it hard to apply all this new knowledge at once? I realize it's muscle memory and that's the purpose of the stroke drill but it has to be hard to watch all the DVDs and take it all in so quickly and use it. Keep up the good work! I think this is a great experiment! Jealous of your table by the way!
 
I am very interested at your write up's. It's even more interesting for me because I get to actually come play pool with you and see whether or not it helps you any. Keep up the good work and keep your nose to the grind stone. I look forward to your next post!!!!
 
MVP.
Stay with it.

The fundamentals are whats called a Hard Skill. Meaning that they must be executed as though its a robotic movement each part must be exactly the same each and every time.

Here is something that you may not have given much thought:

When performing a center cue ball shot the cue must be pushed thru the cue call 2 1/4". When using high spin or low spin on the cue ball the cue only has to push thru the cue ball about 1" +/-. The cue is going to keep going forward but this is after the cue ball is long gone. It's a feel thing you feel in your grip hand.

I'm real serious when it comes to the fundamentals.

Have fun

John :)
 
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MVP,, do you find it hard to apply all this new knowledge at once? I realize it's muscle memory and that's the purpose of the stroke drill but it has to be hard to watch all the DVDs and take it all in so quickly and use it. Keep up the good work! I think this is a great experiment! Jealous of your table by the way![/QUOTE

I have only watched up to where I'm currently practicing or posting about, once i get 2-4 things from the video I stop the disk and practice those things all week. So I really haven't watched any more than I can handle. While watching, I do jot down key points or chapters on the disk I may want to reference later while at the table., this is really helpful!!! I'm guessing that I won't watch the last disk until November at this rate. as far a new knowledge, so far I'm still on the basics which is easily taken in! It would be so easy and tempting for people to skip this stuff and go directly to the good stuff. But damn it, I paid 70$ for this set and I'm gonna hear the man out lol. I'm pretty sure I may have to slow down to digest the info as it progresses but that's probably the next DVD.

I do think when this is over I will develop my own personal practice guide to do weekly including these basics, just not 2000 at a time lol

Thanks for the encouragement and compliments on the table from everyone!!!!!
 
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