Would you call the foul?

topcat1953

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I have been playing pool for a long time. During that time, I have had the experience of playing for money, playing in tournaments, owning a pool room, promoting & directing tournaments, and having to act as a referee at some of those tournaments. I have always prided myself in knowing the rules. After closing my poolroom more than six years ago and actually getting a job with regular hours, my time at the table decreased significantly. Then, I was invited to play in some tavern leagues on 7' tables and that satisfied my thirst to play for awhile. But, after five years of that, I wanted to get back to playing on the 9 footers. Well that was nearly two years ago and my progress to regain my previous form has not been too pretty.

But, one of the things I discovered, particularly in the game of 14.1, which I favor the most, is that there have been some rule changes and some additions. I believe that every rule has been set or applied for distinct reasons. Such as. in competition, if you would reach into a pocket and catch a ball before it would drop, that used to dictate a 15 ball penalty and a legal rebreak would be required. I am not sure whether the origin of the rule was, in some way, to help prevent the person who is catching the ball, the opportunity to wig out and throw it across the room or bounce onto the table or whatever, let alone the fact of sticking your hand in the pocket and preventing a ball to drop, then pulling your hand out and saying, "I didn't touch it!!"

That particular rule is one that I have called a couple times in the past, in which case I knew my opponent knew of the rule. If the infraction happened near the beginning or in an innocent stage of the match and I felt it was not going to effect the outcome, I would try to be polite and inform my opponent that is a foul and don't let it happen again or I would have to call it. Is that the right thing to do? I don't know, but I never regretted that practice?

Which brings me to my experience this weekend. I am playing 14.1 and I am in a match with a kid that hits 'em pretty well. As the match progresses, we sort of zig zig back and forth with the score, where I get ahead by 20 and he catches up. I get ahead by 20 and he catches up and so on. We are going to 125. Now, I am ahead by about a rack and need 20something. I have just made a break shot and have the balls scattered. My cue ball has come to rest near the foot of the table and I have some open balls. I play a little pattern behind the few balls still clustered from the rack. To loosen the cluster a bit, I lightly shoot a shot I know is going to hit the pack and knock a couple more balls loose and I would have an out ball nearly hanging at a corner pocket. After I achieve this, my cue ball is left up against another ball in such a fashion that I need the bridge to reach it. I grab a bridge from under the table and then realize I won't be able to hit the cue ball right. I need to be higher. Our table has only one bridge. I lay the bridge from our table on the playing surface, walk to the next table, come back to our table, lay my cue down to put the bridges together and then my opponent calls a foul. I say "What!!??" Of course, he is calling a foul because I have laid my stick down on the table. I look at the tournament director and he acknowledges that it is a foul. Need less to say, I was a bit appalled. But, I did not complain or fuss, other than to say, "You're kidding!". I just picked up my stuff and sat down in my chair. My opponent must have had a sense of whatever and missed a straight-in after pocketing a couple balls. I, then, furiously run the last 20 or so I needed to get out.

A rule is a rule. Bottom line, yes, I laid my stick on the table. But, is that how the rule is to be used? Wasn't that rule made to avoid having use of the cue to measure or sight shots? Wouldn't common sense say that laying the stick on the table and using it in that fashion is not appropriate?

Wouldn't you know it, my next match is underway when someone announces that a car alarm is going off in the parking lot. Of course, it is my opponent's car, so he lays his stick down on the table and runs out to shut it off. I look at the tournament director and point to the cue and he says it is a foul.

What do you think I did?

Well, I informed my opponent about the rule, then I said to just shoot. Then we had a laugh about it later.

I believe in the rules and play by them. I may not be right in my assessment of certain rules, but I do believe in fair play and common sense. Laying a cue on the table to assemble two bridges can't gain me any advantage, the same as laying the cue on the table to run out to the parking lot to shut off an alarm. My common sense says to call an infraction when there has really been one. Otherwise, just shoot and beat me if you can, fair and square.
 
As I read the rules, what you did and what your opponent did were not fouls (WPA rules):

6.12 Cue Stick on the Table
If the shooter uses his cue stick in order to align a shot by placing it on the table without having a hand on the stick, it is a foul.​

Neither of you was using the stick "to align a shot."
 
Not a foul. The TD dosen't know the rules. If it was than if you were playing rack your own it would be a foul every time you layed your stick on the table to rack the balls. LOL
 
agreed, not a foul. even if technically it were a foul, calling it on someone who just lays his cue down SAFELY is over-the-top. sometimes it's not wise to leave your cue standing up against the wall where someone could "mistake" it for theirs or it could get bashed. the table is the best place for it. also, it says; "game on hold, brb."
 
As I read the rules, what you did and what your opponent did were not fouls (WPA rules):

6.12 Cue Stick on the Table
If the shooter uses his cue stick in order to align a shot by placing it on the table without having a hand on the stick, it is a foul.​

Neither of you was using the stick "to align a shot."
I'm told that this particular rule was put in to thwart some particular players who could spend minutes with their sticks in various positions on the table to plan out banks, kicks and caroms. I think this is a bad rule and argued against leaving it in the WSR. I still think it should be removed. If a player is slowing the game by convoluted techniques, penalize him for delay of game -- don't make piddling little rules like this one. They invite the kind of idiotic calls the OP suffered.

Here are the rules of 14.1.
 
Agreed not a foul. In snooker, I've seen players get the rest on the table but then decide not to use it, and play the shot with the rest still on the table (I'm not sure if you can go that far in pool). As long as it doesn't interfere with the shot or isn't being used to line up a shot, it's fine.

But even if it wasn't, I wouldn't call that one. I don't like winning by technicalities.
 
Not a foul. It just amazes me that people who should know the rules, like tournament directors, do not. Also, it should be made clear before the tournament starts just how strictly the rules are going to be enforced. Generally, in local tournaments, the rules aren't enforced the way they are in national or championship tournaments.
 
I'm told that this particular rule was put in to thwart some particular players who could spend minutes with their sticks in various positions on the table to plan out banks, kicks and caroms. I think this is a bad rule and argued against leaving it in the WSR. I still think it should be removed. If a player is slowing the game by convoluted techniques, penalize him for delay of game -- don't make piddling little rules like this one. They invite the kind of idiotic calls the OP suffered.

Here are the rules of 14.1.

bob: the rule as stated works pretty well, except when misunderstood and that's not a fault of the rule. a "delay of game" ruling as a result of laying cues on the table would be much harder to enforce and even more misunderstood. some players would do so quickly to avoid a penalty then they'd have to make more rules with regard to how much time must pass before a delay of game can be called. it would surely turn into a big mess with the "cue layer" stating that he took less time to do it than his opponent took on a tough shot. it's better to leave it as it is and carry a rule book in your pocket.
 
bob: the rule as stated works pretty well, except when misunderstood and that's not a fault of the rule. ...
Carom players don't use bridges. They still shoot shots that don't allow them to be have their heads over the stick due to the position of the balls. One technique that they use is to lay the stick on the table along the correct line while standing at the end of the table in line with the shot, walk around to the side of the table, pick the stick up carefully without bringing it off-line and then shoot side-arm. Multi-time world champions use this technique. It neither slows the game nor gives unfair advantage.

"Don't let go of your stick while aiming" serves no good purpose, especially if you allow aiming with the stick on the table as long as you touch it continuously.
 
You guys are great. I instinctively knew this was not a good call by anyone.

Maybe 14.1 should adapt some rules from the APA. You know the main one. Anything goes. That would take away all that foolish reaching and stretching. Bridges would not be needed, either. I mean, heck, when your in trouble, Blast away, something will go. Plus, there would be a whole lot more 100 ball runners. Right?!?

Ahhh, just kidding. I didn't mean any of that.

Part of the beauty of this game is to be able to know and play by the rules. Knowing them, also makes any shooter a better player, too.

Thabk you.
 
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