Would you call this great condition?

Don't know either one but I get the feeling he beat the seller up on that blemish when he got the cue and conveniently didn't notice when listing on ebay. Like the comments in the Scruggs value thread - cut throat business.

Also astonished he thought the auction price for that maker was low. High in my opinion. Thought the buyer deserved some red on here for the negative he left on ebay but didn't pull the trigger.


Survey says - both suck in this instance.
 
bowiebill said:
If this helps Greg, than good for him. I posted an honest accounting of what happened. He came here and continued his practice of being less than honest. I wish someone from here could just hold this cue. Most of the butt below the wrap feels like sandpaper.
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The condition is one thing but you were offered a refund, it's not like he refused to take it back. It's clearly not in great shape, but also it's not like you are being cheated out of your money. Pics of the cue should have shown this on eBay listing also.
 
This thread is a good example of unintended consequences.

I've dealt with Greg Howard in the past and what was posted by the OP does nothing to deter me from dealing with him again in the future.

OTOH, the OP has presented a clear outline of the type of buyer that any well meaning seller wants to avoid. The person with unreasonable demands and who will never be satisfied.
 
bowiebill said:
What do you mean better picture? Is that pic not clear?

No relatives named Justin. I’ve also posted about this on Facebook buyer/seller transaction group.
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No, for the record, your picture was not clear at all. It didn't show all aspects of the cue, only a small portion of it.

As has been noted, you might want to consider the entire condition and overall deal before making it a forum event.

All the best,
WW
 
hang-the-9 said:
The condition is one thing but you were offered a refund, it's not like he refused to take it back. It's clearly not in great shape, but also it's not like you are being cheated out of your money. Pics of the cue should have shown this on eBay listing also.
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That’s a fair post. But one question. If the damage was disclosed on the auction, do you think the cue would have sold for the same price? I think it would have sold for less. Therefore the seller benefitted from lying about the condition.

I don’t know why the final price was only 620. My max bid was much higher. But had I, and obviously the others that were bidding, had known the cue had damage, I would have bid less.
 
Alright, so it was a birthday gift, but I have a couple of questions -

When I get a cue or anything else from ebay or a deal here it takes me about 30 seconds
before I have that item out and under examination, especially something like a cue. If it's
not at the standard I understood it to be I won't gift it. Didn't you bother to look at this cue
before you gave it to your son? The photo makes the flaw look pretty obvious, why did
you still give it to your son?

I think if the seller gave a blatantly false description of the cue then offers a full refund it's
pretty much in your hands at that point and is now your responsibility. What if the cue you
received was a Budweiser cue from Walmart? Do you still give that to your son then
complain that the description was inaccurate?

You had the option to return the cue but you chose to keep it, at what point would you say it becomes your responsibility?
 
The seller went above and beyond norm by offering a full refund, TO INCLUDE SHIPPING COST TO RETURN THE CUE, which the buyer declined because he wanted to keep the cue and squeeze the seller for a hun...not a smooth move

It also appears that the only area of contention is the butt sleeve (i'm confident that if the rest of the cue had issues they would have been brought up) which the cue maker may correct for nada, zip, zero, zilch predicated on the relationship he with the person requesting the work which would take apprx 20+- minutes.

The buyer would be best served by having this pithy thread deleted
 
Celophanewrap said:
Alright, so it was a birthday gift, but I have a couple of questions -

When I get a cue or anything else from ebay or a deal here it takes me about 30 seconds
before I have that item out and under examination, especially something like a cue. If it's
not at the standard I understood it to be I won't gift it. Didn't you bother to look at this cue
before you gave it to your son? The photo makes the flaw look pretty obvious, why did
you still give it to your son?

I think if the seller gave a blatantly false description of the cue then offers a full refund it's
pretty much in your hands at that point and is now your responsibility. What if the cue you
received was a Budweiser cue from Walmart? Do you still give that to your son then
complain that the description was inaccurate?

You had the option to return the cue but you chose to keep it, at what point would you say it becomes your responsibility?
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My son picked it out and was there and opened it when it arrived. He was disappointed it was damaged but still wanted it if I could get it fixed. I told him I would get it fixed. Since Greg lied about the condition of the cue, I asked him to pick up some of the cost to fix it, and I would give up my time and expenses to drive 90 miles a couple times to get it fixed.

I thought that was a fair resolution. All Greg would do was ***** about how low the selling price was. It’s not my fault other people didn’t bid higher. It IS his fault he lied about the condition.
 
ribdoner said:
The seller went above and beyond norm by offering a full refund, TO INCLUDE SHIPPING COST TO RETURN THE CUE, which the buyer declined because he wanted to keep the cue and squeeze the seller for a hun...not a smooth move

It also appears that the only area of contention is the butt sleeve (i'm confident that if the rest of the cue had issues they would have been brought up) which the cue maker may correct for nada, zip, zero, zilch predicated on the relationship he with the person requesting the work which would take apprx 20+- minutes.

The buyer would be best served by having this pithy thread deleted
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Was he above and beyond the norm when he failed to disclose the damage to the cue?
 
Greg’s rep won’t be affected but the OP’s will. There are many watching who would never want to deal with someone as unreasonable and vindictive as that. Douchy move posting this nonsense on fb and now here. Should have taken your full refund and return shipping paid also. It’s obvious you’re just trying to squeeze him for another $100. Lame move but we’ve all seen it before. :-(
 
Celophanewrap said:
Alright, so it was a birthday gift, but I have a couple of questions -

When I get a cue or anything else from ebay or a deal here it takes me about 30 seconds
before I have that item out and under examination, especially something like a cue. If it's
not at the standard I understood it to be I won't gift it. Didn't you bother to look at this cue
before you gave it to your son? The photo makes the flaw look pretty obvious, why did
you still give it to your son?

I think if the seller gave a blatantly false description of the cue then offers a full refund it's
pretty much in your hands at that point and is now your responsibility. What if the cue you
received was a Budweiser cue from Walmart? Do you still give that to your son then
complain that the description was inaccurate?

You had the option to return the cue but you chose to keep it, at what point would you say it becomes your responsibility?
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I take full responsibility for deciding to keep the cue and for having it fixed. I just feel the seller should be held accountable for selling a cue so badly damaged, as a cue in “great condition”. Isn’t that fair?
 
JC said:
I have never heard of Greg nor of you prior to this thread. Not anyone's buddy.

The cue wasn't as described in your opinion and he accepted that and offered you a total refund and now you're being a nit/douche.

If this is a perfect example of why the billiards industry has a bad reputation you are a perfect example of why humanity is getting the same reputation.

JC
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Perfectly stated Sir. You hit the nail on the head.
 
bowiebill said:
That’s what I’m doing. I just felt people deserved to know how it was sold by this seller.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I posted an honest account of what happened, which is a lot more than what can be said for the seller.
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I have been telling you all day,refuse a full refund PLUS Shipping? You Sir are a fool!
I didn't know till just now that Greg was the seller.He is honest and fair.I have been seeing his deals for at least 10 years.ALL GOOD! Even after you are told by many many ppl you insist on trashing the seller.You should have taken the refund! Beyond that you have nothing to say.Obviously you are a snowflake and can't get over the fact that YOU screwed up.STOP BLAMING OTHERS.In this case,YOU the buyer are out of line,period!
 
bowiebill said:
That’s a fair post. But one question. If the damage was disclosed on the auction, do you think the cue would have sold for the same price? I think it would have sold for less. Therefore the seller benefitted from lying about the condition.

I don’t know why the final price was only 620. My max bid was much higher. But had I, and obviously the others that were bidding, had known the cue had damage, I would have bid less.
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The final price was $620 because that was the highest bid when the auction ended.

What was your max bid and how much more has to be put into the cue to bring it to your expectation.

What would you bid if you knew that the butt sleeve needed to be refinished?

What's a fair price to get the butt sleeve corrected?
 
bowiebill said:
I take full responsibility for deciding to keep the cue and for having it fixed. I just feel the seller should be held accountable for selling a cue so badly damaged, as a cue in “great condition”. Isn’t that fair?
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The seller did take accountability for the mistake which is why offered a full refund including shipping. Anything after that is on you. I understand being frustrated with your purchase but he did everything in his power to make it right in my opinion.
 
bowiebill said:
I take full responsibility for deciding to keep the cue and for having it fixed. I just feel the seller should be held accountable for selling a cue so badly damaged, as a cue in “great condition”. Isn’t that fair?
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Nope.

It is not fair.

He did take responsibility and was fully accountable.

You are acting like he was not accountable even still after it was demonstrated he took full accountability.

Period.

Waning more out of this in any way is scammy.

Look at the word. Root word account. Count it out. Do the math. He offered to take a loss.

Now that isn't good enough...you wanted more and apparently still want more.

You wanted money. No. Not fair. Ebay settled that matter and it is clear in this forum.


By denying he claimed full accountability you are flying in the face of reality. He offered to take a loss. What more do you want? Oh yeah...on top of a great deal you wanted money.



Now you want some kind of revenge in addition.


You are, of course, free to disagree. And at this point I think you might. But just because you hold the opinion does not make it correct.

.
 
cueaddicts said:
Greg’s rep won’t be affected but the OP’s will. There are many watching who would never want to deal with someone as unreasonable and vindictive as that. Douchy move posting this nonsense on fb and now here. Should have taken your full refund and return shipping paid also. It’s obvious you’re just trying to squeeze him for another $100. Lame move but we’ve all seen it before. :-(
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Well said.
 
A Bit of Irony

Here is a comment left for the buyer (bowiebill) on eBay for a Motorola Atrix 4G - 16GB - Black (AT&T) Smartphone (#260968352548) that sold for $208.50:
"Little more "used" than described but functional and fast delivery."
 
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