WPC Debate on the Soft Break
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Lets see the pro play 15 ball
How about sudden death 9 ball. the camel tour was 8-ball ,9-ball and 10ball. All around better. the pro's have to play alternate break as well in nine ball. The women's tour plays soft break but " the nine on the head spot" They made it easier for the women-sardo mark
How about sudden death 9 ball. the camel tour was 8-ball ,9-ball and 10ball. All around better. the pro's have to play alternate break as well in nine ball. The women's tour plays soft break but " the nine on the head spot" They made it easier for the women-sardo mark
cincyman
Banned
Why not just have in every match ---You get to break the way you want and then you get ball in hand whether you make a ball or not just like playing the ghost only, after your first ball in hand the game is played by normal rules(meaning you can play safe and the other guy plays not just you). If you do this the break is a non factor because everyone has the same oppurtunity to run out and the luck factor of the break is non exsistent.
I have played gambling matches like this and think it is a fair solution if you dont want to play ten ball and dont want to get out broke.
My personal opinion is the break is a practiced skill by some just like safety play and i believe if you practice the soft break (i.e. corey) and perfect it you should be able to use it. If not you should tell efren he cant play safe so good or kick safe!!!
As for the people who think 9 ball is ALL luck i agree to an extent that maybe it has the most luck but EVERY GAME has luck.
Even you presious one pocket how times do you try something and botch it up and come out good and the other guy doesnt even know you got lucky or you bank a ball in the pack and shit one in your hole. GUESS WHAT thats luck its just not as obvious in those games as nine ball.
I have played gambling matches like this and think it is a fair solution if you dont want to play ten ball and dont want to get out broke.
My personal opinion is the break is a practiced skill by some just like safety play and i believe if you practice the soft break (i.e. corey) and perfect it you should be able to use it. If not you should tell efren he cant play safe so good or kick safe!!!
As for the people who think 9 ball is ALL luck i agree to an extent that maybe it has the most luck but EVERY GAME has luck.
Even you presious one pocket how times do you try something and botch it up and come out good and the other guy doesnt even know you got lucky or you bank a ball in the pack and shit one in your hole. GUESS WHAT thats luck its just not as obvious in those games as nine ball.
mickey0203
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gobrian77 said:
So it is unfair to the players from other countries, I think I have ever watched Superman and Bustamante playing on the TV table about 3 times......
cincyman
Banned
you people are complaining about the break being to much of an advantage, why not!!!JohnPT said:BIH after every break and even without a ball pocketed!you have got to be kidding!
I hate the idea but when people cry about the break and soft break, and break box, and everything else that would end the problem----it would take the break completely out of the game ,, do you understand
I can't wait to see the big breaks return. I understand why they are breaking soft, hell even EARL broke soft. You would be craZY not to. I hope they change where the balls are racked, TEN BALL????
Eric.
Eric.
cincyman said:
bih after a break and any pro runs out. whomever wins the lag is almost guaranteed to win. BIH after the break you're really serious about this? do you have any idea the skill level required to be pro? the idea is to make the game harder not easier.
I've heard from insiders that the main reason there is difference in table behaviour is the fact that the rack area of the tv-table is tapped for all nine balls.
On the other tables, only the last three balls are tapped.
Therefor the wingball wouldn't go in as regular with the speed they are hitting it on the tv-table; which then would mean the soft-break isn't as reliable as a common hard-breakoff (as it has balls cannoning and flying around the table, trusting to luck more for potting balls).
I'm afraid this is what 9-ball has become, until there is a deliberate change in material. (but that would also trigger the 'consistance is fair' debate I think)
And as long as the 'mainstream' audience pays tickets to see a match in this fashion, it will not likely be changed.
I'm making a bit of a sidestep here, but the same is / was going on in the gaming industry. Some games were made too easy for the mainstream gamer and the hardcore gamers couldn't appreciate those games anymore.
Well, I see most here at AZ Billiards as hardcore poolplayers; having more experience with the conditions the pro's are in. In comparison to the regular Joe, gasping at the TV about a guy that runs 10 racks in a row.
As long as that is what the (most) people pay for, it's not likely to get changed.
The breakshot is a technique that many players have spent years on to perfect. I love to see f.e. Niels Feijen and Francisco Bustamante get up in that classic pose, kicking themselves in the back of the heads and bending their shaft over the cloth with great force, but perfect control.
In this 'evolution' of 9-ball, that will vanish and even snooker players could finish up the remainder of the 8 or 7 balls still on the table in a stop-shot / roll-through fashion.
If you (myself included) feel that 10-ball is a more 'just' game, in relation to nowadays 9-ball under said conditions, we must try to advertise it more.
(As said) Bring it to the Philippines. Make it big. Increase price money to attract the pro's. (don't name it IPT though
)
The regular audience is not going to fully understand the reason of this discussion (no offense) IMHO. This dis-satisfation is from a players' perspective.
(a final note: I heard tables where the Sardo tight rack is used are also tapped. I thought the Sardo rack ensured a tight, perfect rack without the table having to be tapped at all? Is the Sardo rack a bit less consistent when being employed on a regular surface?)
This was my first post here. Hope it made sense.
Hi! btw
On the other tables, only the last three balls are tapped.
Therefor the wingball wouldn't go in as regular with the speed they are hitting it on the tv-table; which then would mean the soft-break isn't as reliable as a common hard-breakoff (as it has balls cannoning and flying around the table, trusting to luck more for potting balls).
I'm afraid this is what 9-ball has become, until there is a deliberate change in material. (but that would also trigger the 'consistance is fair' debate I think)
And as long as the 'mainstream' audience pays tickets to see a match in this fashion, it will not likely be changed.
I'm making a bit of a sidestep here, but the same is / was going on in the gaming industry. Some games were made too easy for the mainstream gamer and the hardcore gamers couldn't appreciate those games anymore.
Well, I see most here at AZ Billiards as hardcore poolplayers; having more experience with the conditions the pro's are in. In comparison to the regular Joe, gasping at the TV about a guy that runs 10 racks in a row.
As long as that is what the (most) people pay for, it's not likely to get changed.
The breakshot is a technique that many players have spent years on to perfect. I love to see f.e. Niels Feijen and Francisco Bustamante get up in that classic pose, kicking themselves in the back of the heads and bending their shaft over the cloth with great force, but perfect control.
In this 'evolution' of 9-ball, that will vanish and even snooker players could finish up the remainder of the 8 or 7 balls still on the table in a stop-shot / roll-through fashion.
If you (myself included) feel that 10-ball is a more 'just' game, in relation to nowadays 9-ball under said conditions, we must try to advertise it more.
(As said) Bring it to the Philippines. Make it big. Increase price money to attract the pro's. (don't name it IPT though
)The regular audience is not going to fully understand the reason of this discussion (no offense) IMHO. This dis-satisfation is from a players' perspective.
(a final note: I heard tables where the Sardo tight rack is used are also tapped. I thought the Sardo rack ensured a tight, perfect rack without the table having to be tapped at all? Is the Sardo rack a bit less consistent when being employed on a regular surface?)
This was my first post here. Hope it made sense.
Hi! btw
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Nagual said:
I just pulled the instructions for my Sardo Tight Rack out to check- they say that all balls must be tapped to "train" the cloth (Move away all but 1 ball. Tap the ball gently then re-rack. Move away all but top 2 balls. Tap, re-rack. Move away all but top 3 balls. Tap, re-rack, and so on).
BTW- welcome to the forum.
Rarelymisses said:
That's actually a very interesting idea. I doubt that anyone would ever put it to use, but I think that would be kind of cool.
cincyman said:
Umm, if you bank a ball into the stack, it's your opponent's fault for leaving you that bank most of the time. Good one pocket players try to suffocate their opponents and not leave them anything. And believe it or not, there are players that can read the stack, and know a dead ball when they see it....
Johnnyt said:
There is luck in every game under the sun. If your view is correct, then how could Allisison have won more WPBA tournaments than all the other competitors COMBINED??? Especially with a break that no one, including her, would suggest is the best on tour.
And how could Archer have become the Player of the Decade in the 1990s?
On any given day, in any given sport, luck can lead to winning. But over time, skill is the reason 9 Ball tournaments are won..not luck.
Regards,
Jim
av84fun said:There is luck in every game under the sun. If your view is correct, then how could Allisison have won more WPBA tournaments than all the other competitors COMBINED??? Especially with a break that no one, including her, would suggest is the best on tour.
She, like EFREN, are by far the luckiest!!!
And how could Archer have become the Player of the Decade in the 1990s?
JA had a HUGE break in the late 80's/early 90's. I played him a couple of times in that time frame and thought I was having acid flashbacks, the balls that didn't find a pocket had tracersThat was on slow, napped cloth.
On any given day, in any given sport, luck can lead to winning. But over time, skill is the reason 9 Ball tournaments are won..not luck.
YEP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!