WTB Hoppe style cue!!!!!!!

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Pinocchio

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Wanted to buy Hoppe style Skip Cue or Scruggs cue rosewood or ebony 4pt with veneers no inlays s/s joint. I am very partial to geen veneers. If cue is priced right I am a buyer as I do not like to dicker. All posts an pms will be replied to: Thanks
Pinocchio

The search is over have bought a Skip cue in the Hoppe style no rubber bumper. Thanks for replies, pm's, phone calls, an bumps!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You all have a good evening
 
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All pm's, posts, an phone calls answered. My # is Br 549
Pinocchio
 
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u cant go wrong with the tim. something special about his cues i will always be partial to him and a few others. something also goes twards a truely nice guy making your cue. make me feel special
 
buck you need to cut your ivory ferrules down to 3/4" and the deflection will be gone.it really works.edit to say not gone but lower.the deflection will be less not zero.i was using too much emphasis i guess.
 
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masonh said:
buck you need to cut your ivory ferrules down to 3/4" and the deflection will be gone.i treally works.
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I'M NOT TRYING TO BE A JERK WITH THIS COMMENT, I'M LOOKING FOR AN HONEST RESPONSE......

ARE YOU SAYING THAT IF I CUT MY IVORY FERRULES DOWN TO 3/4" THAT THAT WILL HAVE NO DEFLECTION, OR EVEN A LOW DEFLECTION LIKE A PREDATOR?

JUST BEING CURIOUS FOR THE RESPONSE, AND ANY REASONING BEHIND THIS.
 
i am not saying no deflection,but less deflection.i don't know exactly why,but it works.just try it with one of your cues.i guess it has something to do with the nature of ivory,but 1" ivory ferrule seem to deflect alot,especially on a stiff shaft and when you cut them down a little they deflect less and seem to play better overall.i have had 200-300 custom cues in my life and i have experimented with lots of them and it really works.there is a cuemaker at the pool hall i hang out in and i have convinced him it is true without a doubt.his name is Alex Brick and he makes good playing cues.i am not trying to brag,i just wanted to give you some shred of evidence before you try it.Alex now tries to tell his customers to go with the 3/4" when he makes them a cue.he says on a whippy shaft it doesn't really matter as much,but 90% of the cues i buy play on the stiff side so i just instantly have them cut down when i put a new tip on them.i can't really comment on th fact that it doesn't matter on a whippy shaft.he may be right.
 
masonh said:
i am not saying no deflection,but less deflection.i don't know exactly why,but it works.just try it with one of your cues.i guess it has something to do with the nature of ivory,but 1" ivory ferrule seem to deflect alot,especially on a stiff shaft and when you cut them down a little they deflect less and seem to play better overall.i have had 200-300 custom cues in my life and i have experimented with lots of them and it really works.there is a cuemaker at the pool hall i hang out in and i have convinced him it is true without a doubt.his name is Alex Brick and he makes good playing cues.i am not trying to brag,i just wanted to give you some shred of evidence before you try it.Alex now tries to tell his customers to go with the 3/4" when he makes them a cue.he says on a whippy shaft it doesn't really matter as much,but 90% of the cues i buy play on the stiff side so i just instantly have them cut down when i put a new tip on them.i can't really comment on th fact that it doesn't matter on a whippy shaft.he may be right.
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I WAS JUST LOOKING FOR CLARIFICATION. I AGREE IT WOULD REDUCE DEFLECTION TO SOME DEGREE, BUT YOU STATED THAT IT WOULD BE "GONE"....... I WAS JUST TRYING TO BE SURE THAT I UNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU MEANT. I DIDN'T WANT PEOPLE HACKING UP CUSTOM IVORY FERRULED SHAFTS, WITH THE HOPES THAT THE DEFLECTION WOULD BE GONE.

P.S. THERE ARE MANY CUEMAKERS THAT HAVE BEEN OFFERING SHORTER FERRULES FOR QUITE SOME TIME. AND I AGREE THAT DEFLECTION WILL BE REDUCED. (NOT BY MUCH, BUT REDUCED JUST THE SAME...JUST MY OPINION THOUGH)
 
surely no one would think taking a quarter inch off of an ivory ferrule would reduce deflection to zero,when zero deflection is pretty well known to be unattainable anyway.i edited my previous post to make sure though.i have to disagree with you on the part about minimal reduction and that lots of cuemakers use 3/4" ivory standard.lots of cuemakers use shorter ferrules but for ivory they almost always use 1".kind of weird since it seems to deflect the most in longer peices.it only costs $40 bucks for an ivory ferrule anyway,so worst case you don't think it helps or you think it plays worse and you pay $40 for a new ferrule.
 
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surely no one would think taking a quarter inch off of an ivory ferrule would reduce deflection to zero,when zero deflection is pretty well known to be unattainable anyway.i edited my previous post to make sure though.i have to disagree with you on the part about minimal reduction and that lots of cuemakers use 3/4" ivory standard.lots of cuemakers use shorter ferrules but for ivory they almost always use 1".kind of weird since it seems to deflect the most in longer peices.it only costs $40 bucks for an ivory ferrule anyway,so worst case you don't think it helps or you think it plays worse and you pay $40 for a new ferrule.
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I HAVE A RETAIL STORE, ANDI DISAGREE WITH YOU'RE FIRST STATEMENT. MANY PEOPLE WOULD BELIEVE THAT, DEPENDING ON THE CONTEXT OF WHERE THEY HEARD/READ IT......

I ALSO AGREE THAT IT REDUCES IT, BUT LIKE I SAID BEFORE, I DON'T FEEL IT GREATLY REDUCES IT. IT'S A PERSONAL FEELING, JUST LIKE ARGUING/DISCUSSING IF A CUE HITS GOOD.......

THEY MAY NOT USE THE SHORTER FERRULES STANDARD, BUT MORE AND MORE MAKERS ARE USING SHORT IVORY. MR. SHOWMAN HAS BBEN OFFERING IT FOR YEARS......

I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU CAN REPLACE THE FERRULES FOR 40, BUT I WON'T BE HACKING MY ORIGINAL TASCARELLA FERRULES TO HAVE TO REPLCE THEM IF I SELL THE CUE.

P.S. I PLAY WITH A PREDATOR, AND I AM ALWAYS LOOKING FOR LOWERE DEFLECTION.
 
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i just read your edit and the replys. i was out in the garage with a sabre saw and my scruggs:eek: :eek: lol. just kidding. i never really thought about that. i know i don't want to put ferruls other than ivory on it. i know it's stupid because if it plays better you should do it but changing a classic like a scruggs i just couldn't bring my self to do. i will just let it sit in the case unplayd as much sense as that makes. seems like a scruggs should have ivory. but.. shorter ivory ferruls might be worth a try. i don't know how close micarta is to ivory as far as deflection but i love the micarta on my bluegrass. a local cue maker told me ivory is the worst for delection. don't know how true.thanks for the input. well i learned somthing today so it was worth getting out of bed.
on another note sorry for hi jacking your thread. got a little outta control, but atleast ya don't have to bump it.
 
buck,while you are in the garage some people say shorter joint play better,give the joint a pass with that saw.i also am sorry for hijacking the original thread,but i was wanting to show Buck that he may be able to enjoy his Scruggs more then he thinks.i think it is OK to change ferrules on a cue.don't hack your ferrules Fastnloose and have to replace them.the post was for buck.as long as you have a competent cuemaker do the work,it is no problem,and really shouldn't affect the value of the cue.if your Tascarella is worth $3000 with original ferrules,i think it is still worth $3000 with one original ivory ferrule and one ivory ferrule put on by say SW.Fastnloose i thought you were initially curious about the short ivory ferrules,but now i see you were already an expert and a dealer and just wanted to find fault with what i said.it is OK if we disagree.i apologize for my accidental exaggerration in the previous post.to clarify i feel that if you take a 1" ivory ferrule down to .7 or .75" that the deflection will be noticebaly less.anyway Buck get your cueman to put the shaft in the lathe and take it down to .75" or so and see what you think.he should be able to reuse the tip,and if it doesn't help have him put a 1" back on.
 
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i will try and do that in the near future. i play with my bluegrass now anyway but the scruggs does hit sweet also. i regretted selling my bluegrass to get the scruggs but the ferruls may be the cure. when i get sick of my bg or sell it (i have a new one on oeder) i will change the ferruls on the scruggs and let ya know. on a side note i don't think fastnloose was dogging ya out. it sounded to me like he just didn't understand your statement but what do i know. thanks for the input
 
seemed like he was asking me questions that he aleady had the answer to in hopes of correcting me or something.no big deal either way.i have no problem with fastnloose.we just disagree on this subject.
 
masonh said:
seemed like he was asking me questions that he aleady had the answer to in hopes of correcting me or something.no big deal either way.i have no problem with fastnloose.we just disagree on this subject.
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I CLEARLY STATED IN MY FIRST POST TO YOU THAT I WASN'T LOOKING FOR AN ARGUMENT. I JUST WANTED YOU TO CLEAR UP YOUR STATEMENT SO THAT THE PEOPLE READING KNEW MORE ABOUT WHAT YOU WERE SAYING.

WE DON'T DISAGREE TOTALLY. I AGREE THAT IT HELPS WITH DEFLECTION. I JUST DIDN'T WANT PEOPLE READING THIS TO THINK THAT SHORTENING THE FERRULES WAS, LIKE FINDING THE HOLY GRAIL. THAT WAS ALL I WAS LOOKING FOR.

I ALSO NEVER SAID THAT THE CUEMAKERS ARE DOING THE SHORTER FERRULES STANDARD, BUT THERE ARE NOW MANY THAT ARE OPEN TO DOING THEM AS AN OPTION.

P.S. A COLLECTOR STYLE, OR HIGHER END CUSTOM CUE THAT HAS HAD THE FERRULES REPLACED ISN'T WORTH AS MUCH AS ONE THAT IS ORIGINAL....... AT LEAST NOT TO ME.
 
i never really thought it changed deflection. i think ivory is softer than other plastic or fiber materials. when u hit the ball ivory squishes and that why u hear that click. cutting down the ivory makes the cue play harder. some cuemakers dont use ivory bc they feel it plaus inconsistant
 
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